denalidave Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I think they should ban wilderness travel entirely, except for me and my friends. A better option would be to just get rid of the wilderness... put a light rail and/or gahnjola and a few Starbucks at the lake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I would settle for a zip line from the summits down to the trailhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I would settle for a zip line from the summits down to the trailhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 is the boulder field below dragontail a permit-free zone? seems like years ago i was told that by a ranger - at any rate, it's a clearly low-impact campign zone as you can't help but be on rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemoreJugs Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 (edited) Â Yeah, its required, I don't think they care if you are bivied on top of a pointy rock, or hunkered down in a cushy nest of goat fleece. I was up by Colchuck lake mid-July, the rangers were heavily policing for overnight permits by interrogating everyone for their permit. "PAPERS PLEASE!" Â It seems that the boundary is the Stuart Range ridgeline - based on the cartoon map they provide. So if you go over to the south of Colchuck Pass, you might be able to camp on the backside or something sans permit. Â Edited August 18, 2012 by SemoreJugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good2Go Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Â Yeah, its required, I don't think they care if you are bivied on top of a pointy rock, or hunkered down in a cushy nest of goat fleece. I was up by Colchuck lake mid-July, the rangers were heavily policing for overnight permits by interrogating everyone for their permit. "PAPERS PLEASE!" Â It seems that the boundary is the Stuart Range ridgeline - based on the cartoon map they provide. So if you go over to the south of Colchuck Pass, you might be able to camp on the backside or something sans permit. That map is confusing. According to this one (also from the FS site), Stuart is out of the permit zone. Which is correct? Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatboy Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Stuart itself is out of the Stuart Zone, which refers to Stuart Lake area. I heard talk of expanding permits further south to include Stuart, Ingalls area....but no action on that so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurthicks Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Indeed, I have been told by the USFS in Leavenworth that bivying on or below the North Ridge of Stuart is out of the permit zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Indeed, I have been told by the USFS in Leavenworth that bivying on or below the North Ridge of Stuart is out of the permit zone. Â Ditto for Argonaut. I ordered a permit online then when I picked it up the ranger told me for future reference that climbing Argonaut did not require a Stuart Lake Zone permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvshaker Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Crills, you never said what you were climbing..... Â We climbed Dragontail in a day then camped on the ridge a couple hundred feet below, where we had snow. The ranger said we was cooo camping there. Out of the zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crillz Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 I was thinking of a return visit to Prusik. Â Possibility of fines and moral struggles have convinced me to figure something else out though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdietsch Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 You can always show up at the Ranger Station and take a chance .. permits not claimed by 9:00 AM on the day of entry are given out via lottery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_warfield Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) Be fit, do not camp (the biggest impact and requires no permit) and leave no trace. This is what experienced wilderness people do. Edited August 29, 2012 by matt_warfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_warfield Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 is the boulder field below dragontail a permit-free zone? seems like years ago i was told that by a ranger - at any rate, it's a clearly low-impact campign zone as you can't help but be on rock. Â Ivan, As it was described to me, you have to be on the Dragontail/Stuart ridgeline to avoid the permit but there were few rangers on the Backbone route or Serpentine. The devil is in the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crillz Posted August 29, 2012 Author Share Posted August 29, 2012 Be fit, do not camp (the biggest impact and requires no permit) and leave no trace. This is what experienced wilderness people do. Â Thanks for the advice. I'll try and remember that next time I do a multi day trip. I'll just sleep when I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_warfield Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) Just turn a multiday trip into a one day trip. Peter Croft started at the road on Icicle, hiked up to Stuart TH, free solo'd N. Ridge of Stuart complete then Dragontail then Prusik. All in one day. An inspiration for us all and no permit required. Edited August 30, 2012 by matt_warfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Just turn a multiday trip into a one day trip. Peter Croft started at the road on Icicle, hiked up to Stuart TH, free solo'd N. Ridge of Stuart complete then Dragontail then Prusik. All in one day. An inspiration for us all and no permit required. Great advice, why didn't I just think "I'm Peter Croft, I can do the whole range in a day". Turns out, I aint no Peter Croft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Just turn a multiday trip into a one day trip. Peter Croft started at the road on Icicle, hiked up to Stuart TH, free solo'd N. Ridge of Stuart complete then Dragontail then Prusik. All in one day. An inspiration for us all and no permit required. Â Because it's out of reach for most of us mere mortals. Also, some of us don't find that "fun". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 I wonder if peter croft could introduce me to his sister, lara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_warfield Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Ironically Peter got questioned by The Man about why anybody would be walking up the road or trail in the middle of the night. Concerns about regulations really crimp creativity in the outdoor world. Â And I understand Croft has another level. But there are plenty of people that post on this site that could or have done huge one day trips that don't require permits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_warfield Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Just turn a multiday trip into a one day trip. Peter Croft started at the road on Icicle, hiked up to Stuart TH, free solo'd N. Ridge of Stuart complete then Dragontail then Prusik. All in one day. An inspiration for us all and no permit required. Â Because it's out of reach for most of us mere mortals. Also, some of us don't find that "fun". Â And in climbing, it doesn't have to be fun to be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 As it was described to me, you have to be on the Dragontail/Stuart ridgeline to avoid the permit but there were few rangers on the Backbone route or Serpentine. The devil is in the details. Â No you just have to be anywhere south of the ridgeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Just turn a multiday trip into a one day trip. Peter Croft started at the road on Icicle, hiked up to Stuart TH, free solo'd N. Ridge of Stuart complete then Dragontail then Prusik. All in one day. An inspiration for us all and no permit required.  These are the peaks Croft Traversed Stuart Sherpa Argonaut Colchuck Dragontail Prusik  I prefer multi-day climbs for the alpine ambience and in my over the hill condition it's practically mandatory. I could do Serpentine in a day but it would be a death march. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouleeClimber Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I've done Single Day Climbs a few times, I normally leave Grand Coulee at 6am, get to the Trailhead 3 hrs later, start on the trail, get to Colchuck Lake, around to Aasgard/Dragontail, Summit and back down, then drive home the same day. Â Ill be heading there in a few weeks, but will be camping over night on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_warfield Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) I admire your effort and hoped you enjoyed it. The Enchantments are amazing. Â But Croft summited multiple peaks free solo climbing (see earlier threads but included N. Ridge of Stuart, Dragontail, and Prusik) and should we could all aspire to the same but few will. Edited April 16, 2013 by matt_warfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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