Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by iain: quote:Originally posted by Off White: very familiar dance between those two and an entertaining one at that....entertaining like the Guiness Book fat twins Benny and Billy on their motorscooters What, fat dudes on scooters turn your crank, too? You're a strange bird, Morris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Tricky Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 I've always been interested in etymology, and was wondering if anyone knows anything about the origin of the term sandbagging. Recently, I've been asking random people if they know the word, and most give me a strange look of incomprehension. In the dictionary, the only definition that comes close to the way climbers use the term is "to force by crude means, to coerce." But that doesn't really reflect the flexibility of the word, which climbers use as a noun, verb and adjective. A google search reveals the following uses of sandbagging: "Sandbagging is deceptive play in poker that is roughly the opposite of bluffing: betting weakly with a strong holding rather than betting strongly with a weak one." "Traffic cops team up with sandbagging, mafia-connected, highway-construction, multi-billion-dollar global corporations..." "I hope we're all running to take Ecuador off the second round of our World Cup brackets, or they're dedicated to sandbagging Mexico and Italy." "Sandbagging is the process over an internet go server (or in an over-the-board tournament) of deliberately setting your rank lower than it should be." "As this year’s tests wrap up, the Fords have been most accused of sandbagging. The Pontiacs seem to have been a little slower than the Dodges and Chevy's as well, but haven’t faced the same accusations." We all know what sandbagging is, but where did the word come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 I meant entertaining in a Ripley's believe-it-or-not intriguingly-grotesque sort of way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Good question UT. In most other realms "sandbagging" means to understate your own abilities with the intent to gain some advantage. In climbing lingo you're understating the difficulties of the task not your ability. I guess the two could meet if you've got something so wired that you can float it and make it look easy. Then you can sandbag the victim by walking the problem and saying, "I'm sure you can do this. You're a way better climber than me." [ 11-13-2002, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: chucK ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by freeclimb9: quote:Originally posted by Greg W: I apologize . . . for contributing to the spray. quote: Originally posted by Greg W: Gargle butt gravy, bitch. We live in a world of extremes. Thanks, Freeclimb, that made me laugh out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 You can buy Lillooet Minor Hockey Sandbags for $5 at the gas station. I bet they tell you Shriek of the Sheep is WI3+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayjay Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 i've never heard the term "sandbag" used outside of climbing, so i always assumed that it's stemmed from the experience of getting on a climb and having it be so much harder than you were told that you feel like you're climbing with a big ole bag'o'sand tied to ya... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawgoddess Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 i think the word "sandbag" comes from theatre. don't quote me on that, though. not sure how it came to get its current meaning ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: i think the word "sandbag" comes from theatre. don't quote me on that, though. not sure how it came to get its current meaning ... you've just doomed yourself to all kinds of theatre rigging spray now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figger_Eight Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: i've never heard the term "sandbag" used outside of climbing, so i always assumed that it's stemmed from the experience of getting on a climb and having it be so much harder than you were told that you feel like you're climbing with a big ole bag'o'sand tied to ya... That's where I thought it came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayjay Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Okay, so my little Webster's New World Dictoinary of the *American* (as my Canadian officemate liked to point out...) Language has, under the verb form of sandbag: "[Colloq.] to force into doing something" So I guess you get forced into doing a climb when someone tells you "hey it's easy, no problem, you can totally do it", cause then you'd feel like a total looser if you didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by iain: quote:Originally posted by thelawgoddess: i think the word "sandbag" comes from theatre. don't quote me on that, though. not sure how it came to get its current meaning ... you've just doomed yourself to all kinds of theatre rigging spray now... "friggin' in the riggin'" anybody know that song Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawgoddess Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Dru: "friggin' in the riggin'" anybody know that song that's sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: quote:Originally posted by Dru: "friggin' in the riggin'" anybody know that song that's sick. What's so sick about it? What am I missing? (okay, you can spray on that last bit ) Greg W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Well, I see some things never change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Including your affinity for chickens. Damn--no page top. [ 11-13-2002, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: rbw1966 ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 trash! nice to see you ringing in today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegetablebelay Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by rbw1966: Including your affinity for chickens. And your affinity for Trask - what, are you stalking him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Um. . yeah, thats what I am doing. I'm trying to pick up some pointers on the finer aspects of poultry romance. Are you stalking me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrest_m Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 ok, maybe I’m just making this up, but I seem to remember reading once that “sandbagging” comes from the 18th & 19th century tradition of press-ganging, where ships in need of crew would basically run through towns kidnapping people who would then wake up on board, headed for india or somewhere. this practice was legal in england for 200 years! the favorite weapon of these folks was a sock or bag filled with sand because it didn’t do permanent damage and it didn’t *look* like a weapon. the press gangers would mingle with other sailors, get them drunk, and then *wham*, welcome to the navy. I think the term sandbagging comes from the apparently innocuous appearance of the weapon… this probably won’t convince anyone, but I wanted you to all know what a book-loving nerd I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegetablebelay Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by rbw1966: Are you stalking me? Nah, I think you'd like it too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 You could work at REI if you worried about that cause I hear they are always out of stalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayjay Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by forrest_m: ok, maybe I’m just making this up, but I seem to remember reading once that “sandbagging” comes from the 18th & 19th century tradition of press-ganging, where ships in need of crew would basically run through towns kidnapping people who would then wake up on board, headed for india or somewhere. this practice was legal in england for 200 years! the favorite weapon of these folks was a sock or bag filled with sand because it didn’t do permanent damage and it didn’t *look* like a weapon. the press gangers would mingle with other sailors, get them drunk, and then *wham*, welcome to the navy. I think the term sandbagging comes from the apparently innocuous appearance of the weapon… this probably won’t convince anyone, but I wanted you to all know what a book-loving nerd I am. ah-HA! that would explain the other verb form of the word "sandbag" in my lil dictionary: "to hit with a sandbag" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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allthumbs Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by iain: trash! nice to see you ringing in today. Smoked my old computer. Just had a new RIPPER built. This mofo fuckin' FLIES!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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