layton Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 here's an inane waste of time... how do you orient the biners on your quickdraws? Opposite facing or same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 opposite. that way i always clip in the direction of the next bolt and all is good with the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 ditto. I'd like to hear the argument from the same siders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepires Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 same side. as long as it is consistent, the orientation does not matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I like same side orientation. If the bolt (or,as I tend to use them, the draw clipped to a piece of gear) is in a corner, this is what you want. If not, you can clip the top biner either way, can't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 how many posts till we stop beating around the bush and start on what we're reeeeeeeealy talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I tossed the cards to the wind and googled " Todd Skinner Gunfighter " and got a message from the holy orientation gods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanb Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Same side though I used to do opposite 10+ years ago. I think same has become recommended by manufactures because it reduces the chance of the bolt end carabiner opening itself as the draw twists around a bolt due to rope travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 to be honest, I never thought about it. I thought everyone had them face opposite for whatever reason. I always wondered in the recess of my brain while clipping bolts, why they made the part you clip the "back" of the bolt? I just figured that since I'm a shitty sport climber, there must be some reason why clipping the back of the bolt was easier. Having them face the same way lets you clip the front of the bolt, making a slightly easier clip. DUUUHHH! Seriously, 18+ years climbing and I never ever thought about that. Just figured I wasn't good enough to know the secret. Not surprising since it took me a full year to realize my truck had cup holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidevo Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 http://www.climerware.com/unclip.shtml Same side though I used to do opposite 10+ years ago. I think same has become recommended by manufactures because it reduces the chance of the bolt end carabiner opening itself as the draw twists around a bolt due to rope travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidW Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 As a buyer for a chain of climbing shops I listen to people argue about this almost daily. Customers have all kinds of reasons for the orientation they choose, some reasonable sounding, some not. I think it's interesting to notice which way the various manufacturers orient them at the factory... There is no consistent philosophy across the industry as far as I can tell. Metolius: same side Mammut: same side Wild Country: same side BD: same side DMM: opposite side CampUSA: opposite side Omega: opposite side so go figure, pay yer money/take yer chances... personally i prefer mine on opposite sides, but I do everything backwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Consider using a lightweight locker if you're not sure what the correct orientation is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepires Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I prefer to use quicklinks on all my draws. my seconds love me big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 You lead pumpy pitch, you get seconds on pumpy love, bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 i always thought it would be funny to padlock directly to the bolt. maybe when passing koreans on el cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 oopposite siders are baby rapers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson.g Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 oopposite siders are baby rapers I am in full agreement, oh wait no it is same siders that are the baby rapers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Same siders are born that way, it is not their fault and they deserve all the same rights as us opposite siders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drederek Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 oopposite siders are baby rapers Only till next may when she turns 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly 'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?" And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench. And everything was fine, we was smoking cigarettes and all kinds of things, until the Sargeant came over, had some paper in his hand, held it up and said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RafalA Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Mine swing both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdietsch Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 ...There is no consistent philosophy across the industry as far as I can tell. Metolius: same side Mammut: same side Wild Country: same side BD: same side DMM: opposite side CampUSA: opposite side Omega: opposite side interesting .. isn't Wild Country owned by DMM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevetimetravlr Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Just use a locking biner on the first clip and who gives a shit about biner draw orientation. baaahahaaaaaaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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