Firearms allowed in National Parks

[timmy_t]

So apparently this law went into effect on Monday:

 

http://www.ptleader.com/main.asp?SectionID=36&SubSectionID=55&ArticleID=26352

 

If I understand it correctly, you can carry loaded guns but you still can't use them?

 

I wonder how long before companies start competing to make New Fantastic Ultralight Titanium Firearms for hikers. Good lord.

[John Frieh]

I wonder how long before companies start competing to make New Fantastic Ultralight Titanium Firearms for hikers. Good lord.

 

Friend of mine in Wyoming has a Ti revolver... the ammo weighs more then the pistol. Given the activity of Grizzlies in the fall and spring out there I dont blame him.

[Dirtyleaf]

AlpenGlocks are now legal fare? Now my partners can't say shit.

[justinp]

I wonder how long before companies start competing to make New Fantastic Ultralight Titanium Firearms for hikers. Good lord.

 

I don't know but put me on the list for one

[Dirtyleaf]

I'd recommend a Glock:

 

[summitchaserCJB]

[justinp]

I feel a survey coming on. So how many gun totin cc'ers are there out there. U'll shot ur eye out

[Pilchuck71]

I grew up in Verlot and have spent nearly my entire life climbing in the cascades (20+ years). I have never carried a gun in the mountains (unless I was hunting) and don't feel the need to nor the desire.

I just don't see the point.

[tomtom]

People are afraid of others just like themselves.

[mountainmandoug]

Check out

 

http://www.pakrifle.com/

 

for all you wishing to log first armed ascents and first shots fired from summit records.

[MtnPaul]

It's only a matter of time until elk start getting shot in Yellowstone in "self defence" by people trying to get a closer picture.

[summitchaserCJB]

Try pulling in the reigns with the paranoia. Chances are that you won't notice any change. The people who are legally allowed and permitted to carry aren't the ones you should worry about.

[JosephH]

The people who are legally allowed and permitted to carry aren't the ones you should worry about.

 

True, they mostly shoot themselves or each other in hunting accidents, domestic disputes, and murder-suicides. Odds are you'll probably be safer in a National Park than your kid's school.

[summitchaserCJB]

That's pretty crass.

Edited February 24, 2010 by summitchaserCJB

[JosephH]

You're welcome...

[JoshK]

Crass but likely true.

 

I feel bad for people paranoid enough to pack heat in the wilderness.

[AR_Guy]

Go on back to your non-firearm owning echo chamber and keep telling each other about how dangerous gun owners are. It'll be true in your own mind. It's the same mentaility of non-climbers when discussing accidents on Mt. Hood and how mandatory PLBs, etc should be required.

[boadman]

Go on back to your non-firearm owning echo chamber and keep telling each other about how dangerous gun owners are. It'll be true in your own mind. It's the same mentaility of non-climbers when discussing accidents on Mt. Hood and how mandatory PLBs, etc should be required.

 

A climber without a PLB can't accidentally shoot me with his forgotten PLB while I hike to a crag.

 

Actually, kind of a gruesome story - A few years ago, I was climbing in Rifle in the fall when an ambulance rocketed up through the canyon. Later in the day, I asked a group of deer hunters if they knew what the emergency had been. Apparently, a hunter had nailed another hunter to a tree with his hunting bow. How mid evil is that?

[eldiente]

Note that this rule only applies to people with a permit to carry a concealed weapon in that State. Ie If you have a permit in WA, it is still illegal to bring your loaded hand-gun to Yosemite. If you have no permit, it is still illegal to carry in a concealed weapon in NP.

 

 

Edited February 24, 2010 by eldiente

[summitchaserCJB]

Eldiente- Good to know. There is some cross-state carryover but it depends on the state. California, for example, doesn't honor WA concealed permits from what I remember.

[JoshK]

Check out

 

http://www.pakrifle.com/

 

for all you wishing to log first armed ascents and first shots fired from summit records.

 

http://www.pakrifle.com/CustomerPictures.html

 

Complete with pictures of rednecks shooting some gorgeous cats as a means of compensating for their own shortcomings.

[timmy_t]

What do y'all think about this stuff from the article:

 

"The new law does not change prohibitions on the use of firearms in national parks and does not change hunting regulations. Being allowed to carry a firearm in a national park or wildlife refuge does not come with permission to use it."

 

Then what's the @#$%ing point? If it's self-defense against animals, a couple of questions come to mind: How many documented cases of animal attacks within national parks could have been prevented with a gun? How many were provoked by silly people? How many could be just as easily thwarted with, say, bear spray? And if it's self-defense against crazies, how often have you heard of crazies in national parks running around shooting people? For me, it's not that I'm worried about my own personal safety. I'm more concerned with the psychological implications. I don't want to think, "Does this person have a gun? Does that person have one?" while I'm hiking around. And I know I will.

 

Here's another fun comment:

 

"Many Washington State Parks rangers are armed. Most national park rangers are not armed."

 

Wonder if that will change.

[Dirtyleaf]

Seriously. This shit does not make any sense.

[JoshK]

Seriously. This shit does not make any sense.

 

Nor do many things based on ideaology ("it's my right to carry one, dang nabit!") rather than reality. Again, I feel sorry for people paranoid enough to think they have to carry around a gun in a national park to defend themselves.

[luvshaker]

Smith & Wesson Airlight .38 special-snub nose

Amazing little piece of titanium.