Cpt.Caveman Posted December 12, 2002 Posted December 12, 2002 RE: They seem to be quite opposed to BD products on their website. Just an observation. I've heard BD can be quite trying to work with as a reseller. Lots of BD products are heavy and IMHO over rated. Though not all, and many of their products have a competitor's brother (similar). I think they might be geared toward the alpinist. Carrying the off brands that nobody else does is also a good way to get customers in to check out different brands and items. Also allowing some items to be used before bought is cool as heck. If you try to borrow an ice axe from marmot they will charge you to rent it and request a deposit. Quote
Lambone Posted December 12, 2002 Posted December 12, 2002 I'm not so sure Jim is outright against BD stuff, although he may be. What I do know is that it can be difficult as a small retailer to meet BD's minimum order size. Tere is alot more that goes on behind the scense regarding buying merchandise at wholesale. Jim may be part of a buying group that does not distribute BD. Anyway, that is just all speculation...the stuff he does carry kicks ass, and fills the gaps that all the other shops miss, the best light stuff around. It looks like PMS is sporting the Leashless Grivel tools and aluminum 'poons up there...nice! Quote
Greg_W Posted December 12, 2002 Posted December 12, 2002 I agree with Ray's comment that BD doesn't always make the lightest shit, neither does Mtn Hardwear. Jim's all about lightweight shit for moving fast in the mountains. Quote
iain Posted December 12, 2002 Posted December 12, 2002 I wasn't suggesting BD should be carried. Just interesting to note he is not. I've heard that about small retailers and BD stuff. Quote
Pro Mountain Sports Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 How many of you would like to see Pro Mountain Sports carry Black Diamond products? And if PMS became a BD dealer, what products would you be most interested in seeing PMS carry ... and why? Quote
COL._Von_Spanker Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 Camalots. Cavey is correct that their stuff can be heavier, but if you ask me it's worth it in this area. The boots and ropes that BD is the distributer for (scarpa and beal) would be nice. That's pretty much it. Quote
Lambone Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 Although I love BD stuff, and own alot of it. I think it's kind of refreshing to go into a shop and not see BD stuff plastered all over the walls. PMS has more stuff from small manufacturers, usualy hard too find, and often made in the US. Thats one of the reasons I'd go you PMS over other shops. Not to look for the same old Patagughi stuff, aor BD Camolots. However, in all the shops I've worked at, Camolots were allways the best sellers... Quote
snoboy Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 However, in all the shops I've worked at, Camolots were allways the best sellers... And it must be disheartening as an owner to watch people walk out the door without buying because they wanted the Camalot, not a metolius or something... I've seen this as an employee. Then we got BD BTW I like their nut tool, but it isn't the best, Ushba is. I would say that BD isn't always the best choice, but it is mostly very good. At least after it has been out for few years. Quote
COL._Von_Spanker Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 Jim is a smart retailer, it's not like he's gonna clean house and fill it with all BD stuff and hand operated blenders, and collapsable titanium reinforced dog bowls, he'll just pick the items that he thinks are nice and sell them to people that want them. C'mon, who doesn't like camalots and Beal ropes? Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 I dont like camalots or beal ropes. I prefer either metolius cams or dmm and edelwiess ropes are the best on the market. Even the lowliest gaper knows that Quote
freeclimb9 Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 Bluewater. Better than anything and American made. 'nuf said. Quote
plexus Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 DMM cams and Bluewater ropes...if you ain't got them Quote
bolt_clipper Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 I went over to PMS. I liked the shop, and asked why he doesn't like BD gear. He fed me a load of BS. Thats OK though, but the guy definitely seems kinda eccentric to say the least. Quote
pope Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 He can climb like a f'in goat But......can he fuck a goat like a climber? Quote
Bronco Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 I went over to PMS. I liked the shop, and asked why he doesn't like BD gear. He fed me a load of BS. Thats OK though, but the guy definitely seems kinda eccentric to say the least. Gee, you sure did learn a lot while you were there. Better not go in there anymore with him being eccentric and all. I don't think being eccentric and climbing mixes very well either, come to think of it, all of the climbers I've met were very normal and conservative. NO STARS FOR YOU!!! Quote
iain Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 dude it's molly ringwald! how dare you. I bet you're rewinding your worn copy of 16 candles on betamax as I write this. Quote
Greg_W Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 (edited) I like, and own, a fair amount of BD gear, but I don't want PMS to start carrying it. I like the alternative choices that PMS carries. I like Camalots, but if I wouldn't take them if weight was a huge issue - I'd check out Jim's shop for alternatives. My read is that Jim stocks gear that he uses and believes in - that's a good enough advert for me. I know Camalots are good, but what I want to know when shopping for new gear is: what ELSE is good. Edited December 13, 2002 by Greg_W Quote
slothrop Posted December 13, 2002 Posted December 13, 2002 Yup, you can get Camalots anywhere (and they're always the same @#%!#$% price, too... ). I like PMS' selection of unusual gear. Quote
bolt_clipper Posted December 14, 2002 Posted December 14, 2002 I agree. The shop also has character, unlike so many. And the amount of specialty gear is unbelievable. Really, we are lucky to have it around. Quote
pope Posted December 14, 2002 Posted December 14, 2002 Really, we are lucky to have it around. I think somebody's gonna give ol' Jim a B.J. Quote
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