RuMR Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 I brought up Bachar as a response to those who suggested sport climbing was necessary to get strong and climb stiff grades. Bachar (among others) clearly demonstrated that the idea is false. Bullshit. What Bachar demonstrated was what an incredibly bold and driven person can do in face of perilous risk. Bachar was an anomaly, I doubt we'll see another like him. Most people aren't even close to his league and never will be. You brought him up because you've done some bold climbing and soloing of your own and your point is "climbing should only be for the boldest and bravest among us....like me". Pure ego driven religious proselytization at it's best. I'd argue that alex honnold and some of the boulderers out there are in bachar's category...but then again, i don't climb anymore so maybe i'm outta touch... michael reardon was in bachar's category as well... been a tough year for climbing... Quote
denalidave Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 I brought up Bachar as a response to those who suggested sport climbing was necessary to get strong and climb stiff grades. Bachar (among others) clearly demonstrated that the idea is false. Bullshit. What Bachar demonstrated was what an incredibly bold and driven person can do in face of perilous risk. Bachar was an anomaly, I doubt we'll see another like him. Most people aren't even close to his league and never will be. You brought him up because you've done some bold climbing and soloing of your own and your point is "climbing should only be for the boldest and bravest among us....like me". Pure ego driven religious proselytization at it's best. I'd argue that alex honnold and some of the boulderers out there are in bachar's category...but then again, i don't climb anymore so maybe i'm outta touch... michael reardon was in bachar's category as well... been a tough year for climbing... What about Peter Croft? Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Set the rules, moderator...establish the boundaries...make an announcement. And while you're at it, you might want to add something about why it's apparently O.K. to ridicule my profession, e.g. call me a "grave robber", on a climbing web-site. "Dude....it's spray, man....anything goes!" Maybe you should get rid of "Spray" altogether, but then there would be no place to dump the ethics "discussions". but the thing is, you are a lunatic - it's kinda hard to defend the crazy, no? my example, should you actually care to read this, is the exact quote of mine you took above - "grave robber" - the post you took that from literally said your profession was not in question, that i and others in fact actually understand and respect the profession of archaeology (an anecdote i omitted in that thread, but now add - my favorite arch professor was a guy named Jim Deetz - his shit about the meaning of house shapes in the se usa was a bit beyond me, but man he was captivating to listen to - my favorite trick of his, one i've longed to reproduce as a teacher but am sadly restricted from was this; he'd often do an entire lecture w/ a cig in his mouth, talking non-stop, w/ a match in his hand - often he'd light the match and threaten the smoke, but never once did he light it - it was fucking mesmerizing and he was a lively and personable and fascinating archeologist and teacher and i can't see an iota of him in you so quit hiding behind him, you phd-wannabe-troglodyte!) You talk like that and teach school children????? I never met Deetz but I'm aware of his work...you were probably lucky to have him as a professor. I ain't Deetz and I'm not hiding behind him...I not even sure what that means. Is that some sort of insult??? I wouldn't be able to pick him out in a crowd and I don't even know if he's still alive. I've got my own gig and I do quite well. Ph.D.-wannabee? I've had mine for 21 years now, how 'bout you? I suggest you drop it, and if you want to talk about sport/trad/clean climbing, address the topic like so many haven't. And speakin' of professors with cigarettes, I knew a philosophy professor who always had a cigarette in his hand and occasionally tried to write on the chalk board with it or would accidentally put a piece of chalk in his mouth. Good stuff. When the students would bitch about him smoking in class, he'd say, "how do you like my cologne? It's called L'eau du Marlboro." I was once at a party listening to two Phd's argue, seriously, about whose apple pie was better. It's nice to see the tradition of academic infantilism carried on. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Oh, and these were Phds in microbiology. Any moron can get a Phd in archeology. Apparently. Quote
Pete_H Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Apple pie is good but cherry pie is better. Quote
RuMR Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 I brought up Bachar as a response to those who suggested sport climbing was necessary to get strong and climb stiff grades. Bachar (among others) clearly demonstrated that the idea is false. Bullshit. What Bachar demonstrated was what an incredibly bold and driven person can do in face of perilous risk. Bachar was an anomaly, I doubt we'll see another like him. Most people aren't even close to his league and never will be. You brought him up because you've done some bold climbing and soloing of your own and your point is "climbing should only be for the boldest and bravest among us....like me". Pure ego driven religious proselytization at it's best. I'd argue that alex honnold and some of the boulderers out there are in bachar's category...but then again, i don't climb anymore so maybe i'm outta touch... michael reardon was in bachar's category as well... been a tough year for climbing... What about Peter Croft? no slight on Peter Croft at all...he's from Bachar's day though...i was talking about the next set... Quote
Off_White Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Jeeze. Oh, by the way. I met a guy by Bears Breast who said he used to like this site until it became dominated by sport climbers. Another eletist old fart. I sure do meet a lot of those. Funny thing is, most of those arguing against the Dawg & Pope show aren't sport climbers. It's the attitude and not the idea that gets people's backs up. Even Kimmo, the most unabashedly sporty one posting in this thread, is hardly a one trick pony. Any pollster can skew the results based on both the question asked and how it is phrased; that you found someone to agree with your conclusion is not statistically significant. Read any TR's here lately? Seems like this place is dominated by alpine climbers. How was Bears Breast by the way, did you climb it? That long slabby side has always looked appealing. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Apple pie is good but cherry pie is better. Apples are red, and ready for plucking She's sixteen, and ready for algebra. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) Dangle = hair*pi*RECTUM fucktorial Edited August 10, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 PhDs are for loosers! Piled higher and deeper Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 PhDs are for loosers! Piled higher and deeper It's 'loser', loosers. Don't they teech you fiziks geeks howda spel? Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Let's smarten this thread up a bit. You know, fer them Phds 'n sheeit. Quote
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Peter_Puget Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Just bringing a new dimension to this thread...... Quote
billcoe Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Go Lil Dawg, go... Ride the bandwagon, "denalidave". Take the low road. I've added you to the list....done with you. (Congratulations for being in the midst of "distinguished company". Perhaps I can paraphrase for you Don: your agreement lacks substance compared to mine, thus resulting in the Denali Dave comment: "Go Lil Dawg, go" I already told you that a bolted route is more of a leave no trace ethic than ANY hiking trail in the world. I agree that bolts should be used as a last resort by the way. Now stop being so self-centered and selfish Don. Take care Quote
RuMR Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Not true bill, a bolted line removes the adventure aspect...definitely a large "trace" in some people's eyes... Quote
t_rutl Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Not true bill, a bolted line removes the adventure aspect...definitely a large "trace" in some people's eyes... Forbidden has been bolted...although just rap bolts its a start... Quote
t_rutl Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Read any TR's here lately? Seems like this place is dominated by alpine climbers. +1 Quote
billcoe Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 They fear we are heading here...but the fact that they bolted a route on the side of the building here in Europe in no way changes the difficulty or adventure of climbing the Walker Spur or the North Faces of the Matterhorn, Eiger or many other routes in the alps. The fact that Verdon has some amazing bolted limestone routes negatively changes what for them exactly? Easy enough to avoid if one prefers something else or another style of climbing. Just not going climbing there seems easy enough. I just don't get it. Quote
RuMR Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 neither do i, bill...i was playing devil's advocate with you... Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 ONLY 83 POSTS UNTIL WE PASS THE "Christian Climbers" THREAD!!!! Quote
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