JosephH Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Maybe I'm just missing it, but where is the oak a problem out at Beacon other than having taken over the fine routes on the west side of Jensens Ridge? Poison Oak is a native species and protected throughout the park's habitat as such. But we have arrangments to mechanically work on it with them relative to established trails and routes. Spraying would be another matter all together, though I suspect targeted applications to specific problem vines on routes could be negotiated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Yep....you are missing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 So, where is all this problematic oak at that I'm missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 So, where is all this problematic oak at that I'm missing? Â Jensens of course, but central south area. Base of Blownout and the first pitch of Blownout. Rappelling will get your rope right in it when you pull it. Every year it seems to expand a bit. Â BTW, I was just directly quoting the post above mine (without attribution) to be humorous, but there is some truth to it. Ozone is probably 5 degrees cooler, abiet shaded, insects I don't know about. Oak, all down the gorge everywhere. In fact, driving down SR14 right under the wires or anywhere the ground gets dug or disturbed it's generally wall to wall Poison Oak with a few spots where it doesn't appears, like where blackberries crowd too close for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Poison Oak is a native species and protected throughout the park's habitat as such. Â Â Give me a break! I can see you lobbing for the bird (kind of)....but not poison oak. JH....give it a rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I can see that Mr D's no drama thing is true though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Maybe I'm just missing it, but where is the oak a problem out at Beacon other than having taken over the fine routes on the west side of Jensens Ridge? Poison Oak is a native species and protected throughout the park's habitat as such. But we have arrangments to mechanically work on it with them relative to established trails and routes. Spraying would be another matter all together, though I suspect targeted applications to specific problem vines on routes could be negotiated. Â Â you are a WANKER just incase you didn't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I knew you fuckers could find something to argue about even after it opened  Climbed the corner + FFA + Dods on Sunday and have oak today. I'm guessing somewhere on the SE corner. Spraying would be awesome... shit I'd support a nalpalm strike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnHigh Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Base of Blownout and the first pitch of Blownout. Rappelling will get your rope right in it when you pull it. Every year it seems to expand a bit. I don't recall seeing any poisen oak on blowout. However, that rats nest of bushes 60' up are still there waiting to tangle your ropes when you rap off. Happens every time. Â I forgot to mention the blackberry nuisance. The base of Blowout has a tangle of the shit and there are itty bitty ones at the start of SE. Beacon has absolutely gone to shit. I'm heading back to the zone for real climbing. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 lol Pete. Â John, you might have gotten it on the walk in. Is it on your legs or arms (or both) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I forgot about that batch on the left side of the first pitch of Blownout - that is always a drag when you pull a rope down through it. But I did the Corner and FFA/Dods as well with no oak, didn't even see any. Â Kevin - I've got absolutely nothing to do with it beyond wanting to reclaim the climbs on the other side of Jensens Ridge from those massive oak vines and then getting them out from under the closure; neither of which is going to happen without WSP and BRSP cooperation on both counts. As far as the rules around the oak, I'm just relaying the WSP Resource / Habitat Management rules around plant life in the park in general, poison oak included. Again, my only concern is having WSP cooperation on reclaiming those West face climbs and not having that face close each year. Â But let me get this straight, you don't really care about the rules of States of Oregon and Washington - except you make a living off of the State of Oregon enforcing state laws and rules against others while your wife is a lawyer who makes her living off of the State of Washington and its laws. Oh, and you're great friends with Bryan, who is an environmental lawyer for the Oregon DEQ enforcing those rules. You know, you sure run your mouth off about being a Beacon bad boy and ignoring state laws and rules for a guy that lives off lording them over others every day - true, you don't wear a uniform and badge, but doesn't that make you just another dick? Â Andrew, shut the fuck up and get a life. Jesus, you two are are a real online 69 of whine, and christ if you are still synchronizing your post counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsroll Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) what up boyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Edited July 31, 2009 by letsroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 the entire last pitch of the n side route is a oak-intensive zone and can only be dealt w/ by a spraying or a vast gang of ignorant negroes and chicanos  hybrid day! cragged at the zone in the shade till mid-evening, then went bath'n'drink'n at the boat launch at beacon till it was time for a run up the corner, topping out in the dark w/ geoff - just what the good doctor ordered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009  But let me get this straight, you don't really care about the rules of States of Oregon and Washington - except you make a living off of the State of Oregon enforcing state laws and rules against others while your wife is a lawyer who makes her living off of the State of Washington and its laws. Oh, and you're great friends with Bryan, who is an environmental lawyer for the Oregon DEQ enforcing those rules. You know, you sure run your mouth off about being a Beacon bad boy and ignoring state laws and rules for a guy that lives off lording them over others every day - true, you don't wear a uniform and badge  JH....have you ever driven 56 in a 55? Law breaker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatinoutliquor Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) Don't spray without talking to the park managers. Edited July 31, 2009 by sweatinoutliquor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) Go Obama. Edited July 31, 2009 by kevbone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 As far as I know, the right to keep established climbs and trails clean is set policy - the issue here is the means. Clearly any mechanical cleaning is no problem. The use of herbicides is entirely another matter as is which ones, how, and where they are applied. I got into computers as a horticulturist attempting to automate greenhouses - I know a bit about plants, insecticides, and herbicides and can understand the SW Resource Steward's concern about their use in the park. Herbicides are not all equal in their efficacy, impact, or longevity. Â The general issue of transparency is mainly a token of cooperation as there is not really anything that goes on out there the BRSP is unaware of - soloing, getting high, NW face camps, bolting, snow shoveling moss, etc - none of it is any news to the BRSP staff. The climbing and partying stuff they really don't care about unless it accidentally ends up in a situation they have to deal with. Anything that alters the rock or habitat is a different matter - they are professionals who live and work there and they do care about the place. All in all, spray swaths of the stuff and it also won't be a secret for long and it almost always comes down to them simply shaking their heads and going, 'you should have just come and talked with us about it." Â But that doesn't mean we can't approach them and say we've run into a situation where mechanical means won't be adequate and we'd like to go chemical. I've already done that with regards to coming up with a strategy to permanently eliminate the massive vines from the West face routes left of Jensen's Ridge. Those vines are massive and for some stretches embedded into the cracks and aren't going to come out easily or without a combination of cutting, chemicals, and chiseling. We didn't get to the cleaning last winter, but the BRSP response was let's get together with Lisa (the Resource Steward) and talk about it which hopefully we'll do this coming winter when I hope those vines can be dealt with. If we have problem spots/areas we think need to be dealt with there is no reason for not going up and simply talking with them about it being a real problem. Particularly in light of the loss of the lines left of Jensen's Ridge. Â EDIT: Note I've had to explicitly ask the last several years that the climbers' trail NOT be weed-wacked for four feet on either side because it attracts tourists down the trail like a magnet when that's been done. Personally, I find clear-cutting by weed-wacking to be pretty high impact even if it's a mechanical means; the point being the BRSP staff is completely sympathetic with the idea of keeping trails (and climbs) clean and clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Beatard Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 The Beacon Peregrines were dive bombing and squawking all day Saturday. Good to see them there. I don't mind waiting for them to fledge. They were there long before humans decided to take up rock climbing. Â My understanding is these birds were planted on Beacon Rock as some sort of rehab project long after climbing had been taking place. Anyone care to explain in greater detail about this project? Â I hate being injured, reading this site pales in comparison to actual climbing. Many laughs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Andrew, shut the fuck up and get a life. Jesus, you two are are a real online 69 of whine, and christ if you are still synchronizing your post counts. Â Â Â and your gonna shut me up? Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 FYI - There is also a wasp nest at the Five & Dime wall on the last move or two of Sufficiently Breathless... Little bastards got me today. It is a small hive just past the last clump of grass/flowers before you can get your hands on the exit ledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnHigh Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 FYI - There is also a wasp nest at the Five & Dime wall on the last move or two of Sufficiently Breathless... Little bastards got me today. It is a small hive just past the last clump of grass/flowers before you can get your hands on the exit ledge  After tagging the leader a couple of times we extricated the wasps from Sufficiently Breathless on Thursday. May you all climb in peace and happiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 FYI - There is also a wasp nest at the Five & Dime wall on the last move or two of Sufficiently Breathless... Little bastards got me today. It is a small hive just past the last clump of grass/flowers before you can get your hands on the exit ledge  After tagging the leader a couple of times we extricated the wasps from Sufficiently Breathless on Thursday. May you all climb in peace and happiness.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 FYI - There is also a wasp nest at the Five & Dime wall on the last move or two of Sufficiently Breathless... Little bastards got me today. It is a small hive just past the last clump of grass/flowers before you can get your hands on the exit ledge  After tagging the leader a couple of times we extricated the wasps from Sufficiently Breathless on Thursday. May you all climb in peace and happiness. Thanks! Who is gonna, or already has, taken care of the wasps on Jills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I was recently told the wasps weren't a problem on Jill's. Maybe they just meant they didn't get stung. Who knows, maybe it's a wasp-based personality test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I was recently told the wasps weren't a problem on Jill's. Maybe they just meant they didn't get stung. Who knows, maybe it's a wasp-based personality test. When I led it, I never came across them but Ken got a few stings on his follow, this was a few weeks ago though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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