Obama will take away your guns!

[ivan]

The fact that you don't know these safeguards are already in place disqualifies you from further commentary on this subject.

shouldn't the fact that you're assuming he doesn't know this disqualify you too?

 

Since we were talking about "the status quo", no. Reading comprehension, Ivan. Try to follow along.

insults aside, fuckworth, his question could quite logically have been intended to get you to agree to the concept of background checks so that he could then make the point that the status quo you favor fails to actually prevent the legal sale of weapons to cons n' kooks. why let a little thing like logic get in the way of trading barbs w/ bitches, though, eh?

 

and what was your verbal on the SAT anyhow, oh-master-of-the-written-word, huh, huh?!?

[Bug]

When you get angry, he wins.

That is the Republican way.

[0321recon]

This forum is reason enough to buy more guns.

[tvashtarkatena]

If cars were licensed only at point of sale, you could have vehicles with no headlights spewing pure burning oil on the road

 

So if your car had no headlights and was spewing oil, the cops wouldnt need to pull you over and possibly ticket you...because your license already took care of that???

 

Wow, I had no idea.

 

You might not also be aware that you need to renew tabs on your car (the licensing I was refering to), which requires emmissions inspection here and other types of inspection elsewhere. That's gonna cost ya big someday.

[tvashtarkatena]

Since we currently spend 60% of our discretionary federal budget on the military, the obvious place to cut is that wedge of the pie. Here's how I would propose to do that:

 

1) Get out of Iraq.

2) Increase our efforts in Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban and other terrorist groups, and stabilize that region.

3) Reduce our nuclear arsenal to a fraction of what it is currently, and resume leadership in worldwide nuclear disarmament.

4) Mothball several carrier battle groups.

5) Pass legislation to eliminate no-bid and cost plus contracts.

6) Yank a host of services from private contractors and give them back to the military.

7) Mothball a significant portion of a nuke subs.

 

Regarding gun control, it's not really a big issue for me one way or the other, although I'm abviously amused by the bullshit artists out there who claim they'll stand up against the gubmint when the time comes. From what I've read, the most significant change we could make would be to enforce existing regulation of federally licensed arms dealers, and, most importantly, eliminate those dealers who operate out of their homes without a storefront. It is this latter group who are responsible for distributing the lionshare of weapons that are eventually involved in crimes.

 

I have no problem, and see no problem, with licensing guns, just as I have no problem with licensing a car, boat, or other potentially lethal machine that operates in the public space.

 

The gun related issue I care most about, and the biggest problem in this country regarding gun ownership, is children getting accidentally shot. Unfortunately, the solution to that lies in the realm of personal responsibility. This type of accident, along with hunting accidents, continue to happen far to often; testiment to the fact that, despite the NRA's bullshit campaigns, far too many gun owners are far too careless.

You bring up some great points here Tvash.

I always like the way you (often)present your opinion with clarity even if I do not always agree. It would be good if more people would do this instead of just spraying non-sensical boring BS.

I think the reality of the gun situation is that, the more controls and limitations you put on honest citizenry, the more dependant we are on the police. I don't like that. Regardless of what I like, criminals will continue to have guns just like they continue to make meth, import heroin, kidnap children, etc..

I have personally been in a situation where I was facing the probablility coming face to face with a certified nut job who had broken into my house and had previously stated that 5 evil demons were telling him to kill his own son, my step-son. I knew he had been on the streets for a year and guns are easy to get ILLEGALLY. So I was comforted by the fact that I was able to lock and load in order to defend my wife, two infant daughters, and stepp-son. If you think gun control would have kept this whacko from getting a gun then explain to me why he is able to buy other illegal substances.

As it turned out, the police got there and scared him off. But a few seconds later could have made a huge difference.

 

Nearly every illegal gun out there is manufactured legally and sold through a federally licensed arms dealer at some point. States and municipalities that have cracked down on these dealers; particularly the ones operating out of their homes, have driven illegal gun purchases elsewhere. Unfortunately, one bad dealer can distribute a hell of a lot of guns to the wrong folks.

 

So, as I stated, enforcing existing controls on these dealers and revoking federal licenses from dealers without a legitimate storefront would go a long way towards cutting off the supply of weapons used in crime, at least according to the studies I've read.

 

This shouldn't bother anyone who feels the need to have a gun around for protection or sport. By all means, shoot some psychos for the rest of us.

 

Er, not me, though.

[Hugh Conway]

This forum is reason enough to buy more guns.

 

you need more than one to shot yourself?

 

definitely a conservative

[ivan]

When you get angry, he wins.

That is the Republican way.

i thought that was just true for this guy?

no anger here - i am the calm little center of the world - i am the zen master

[Lars]

If cars were licensed only at point of sale, you could have vehicles with no headlights spewing pure burning oil on the road

 

So if your car had no headlights and was spewing oil, the cops wouldnt need to pull you over and possibly ticket you...because your license already took care of that???

 

Wow, I had no idea.

 

You might not also be aware that you need to renew tabs on your car (the licensing I was refering to), which requires emmissions inspection here and other types of inspection elsewhere. That's gonna cost ya big someday.

 

 

Funny, I dont remember anyone checking my headlights during an emissions test...

[Hugh Conway]

If cars were licensed only at point of sale, you could have vehicles with no headlights spewing pure burning oil on the road

 

So if your car had no headlights and was spewing oil, the cops wouldnt need to pull you over and possibly ticket you...because your license already took care of that???

 

Wow, I had no idea.

 

You might not also be aware that you need to renew tabs on your car (the licensing I was refering to), which requires emmissions inspection here and other types of inspection elsewhere. That's gonna cost ya big someday.

 

 

Funny, I dont remember anyone checking my headlights during an emissions test...

 

That would be the definition of Simpleton, yes.

[Fairweather]

 

Since we were talking about "the status quo", no. Reading comprehension, Ivan. Try to follow along.

insults aside, fuckworth, his question could quite logically have been intended to get you to agree to the concept of background checks so that he could then make the point that the status quo you favor fails to actually prevent the legal sale of weapons to cons n' kooks. why let a little thing like logic get in the way of trading barbs w/ bitches, though, eh?

 

and what was your verbal on the SAT anyhow, oh-master-of-the-written-word, huh, huh?!?

 

Sorry, I guess my reply was a little excessive.

[Fairweather]

What's up with the /quote feature anyway? It's not working properly.

[olyclimber]

What's up with the /quote feature anyway? It's not working properly.

WHAT?

[Fairweather]

The fact that you don't know these safeguards are already in place disqualifies you from further commentary on this subject.

shouldn't the fact that you're assuming he doesn't know this disqualify you too?

 

Since we were talking about "the status quo", no. Reading comprehension, Ivan. Try to follow along.

insults aside, fuckworth, his question could quite logically have been intended to get you to agree to the concept of background checks so that he could then make the point that the status quo you favor fails to actually prevent the legal sale of weapons to cons n' kooks. why let a little thing like logic get in the way of trading barbs w/ bitches, though, eh?

 

and what was your verbal on the SAT anyhow, oh-master-of-the-written-word, huh, huh?!?

 

Above is how it comes out unedited.

[olyclimber]

The fact that you don't know these safeguards are already in place disqualifies you from further commentary on this subject.

shouldn't the fact that you're assuming he doesn't know this disqualify you too?

 

Since we were talking about "the status quo", no. Reading comprehension, Ivan. Try to follow along.

insults aside, fuckworth, his question could quite logically have been intended to get you to agree to the concept of background checks so that he could then make the point that the status quo you favor fails to actually prevent the legal sale of weapons to cons n' kooks. why let a little thing like logic get in the way of trading barbs w/ bitches, though, eh?

 

and what was your verbal on the SAT anyhow, oh-master-of-the-written-word, huh, huh?!?

 

Above is how it comes out unedited.

 

yes that does appear buggered. another thing to add to the list.

[olyclimber]

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[olyclimber]

board only supports 4 qoutes deep

[joblo7]

first barely useful thing u said in a month.

[olyclimber]

first barely useful thing u said in a month.

 

this ones for you joe blow!

 

OBAMA spent 20 years in a church with rev wright as his pastor who was his spiritual mentor and counsel and married barrack and michelle and the church is rooted in the marxsit black liberation theology and at one time the rev wright ranting videos were posted on the churches web page but removed once the attention to it was drawn. the church honored farrakhan and is ideologically aligned with his views, thats obvious and it encompasses some of the flower of islam themes, its the jews front and central and then a close second its italians and the generic white devil or obamas "typical white person" lets not forget the addition of the radical catholic priest Pfleger and the congregants who whether it was wright, pfleger or farrakhan stood up in universal solidarity of their views while at these alleged religious celebrations which amount to political gatherings wrapped in religion, so much for the tax exempt status he has worked in the past with and technically for bill ayers and is once again ideologically aligned to some degree, has to be since obama distribued monies via ayers that was to go to "education" but went to radical community organizations in his community organizer role, the primary purpose is agitation of the electorate to indoctrinate the commmunity into marxist socialist rooted dogma.

[denalidave]

board only supports 4 qoutes deep

I'm sure it's part of the right wing conspiracy to ruin our lives. Or was that the left wing nuts?

[ivan]

maybe they've been reading this thread?

[billcoe]

Ya have to wonder - anytime you're knee-deep in rats, can the 4 horsemen of the APOCALYPSE be far behind?

Rat link

 

Albrecht Durer