chinese climb Everest with Olympic torch

[dougd]

The chinese efforts remind us once again of how technology can reduce a great mountain to where it is almost nothing.

 

Sad...

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=3386121

 

[tomtom]

The chinese efforts remind us once again of how technology can reduce a great mountain to where it is almost nothing.

 

Sad...

 

What technology are you bitching about?

 

The only two items mentioned in the article are the torch, which was basically a canister stove, and the broadcasting gear. Live satellite feed Everest climbing was actually started by Westerners.

 

http://www.humanedgetech.com/indexnews.php

[fenderfour]

They had an oven at basecamp. Nothing stands in the way of a high-altitude mountaineer when he has fresh banana bread.

[ivan]

they shoulda lit the flame w/ a tibetan's fart while simulatenously beating a darfurian kid to death w/ a baby panda bear

 

i woulda tuned into the live broadcast for that

[builder206]

The network wasn't targeting your demographic, duh.

[pink]

silly

[jmace]

So it looks like Addidas and La Sportiva sponsored the event, would that change your view on these companies ?

[ivan]

So it looks like Addidas and La Sportiva sponsored the event, would that change your view on these companies ?

it wouldn't change my opinion much on the nature of companies, no. i think i can guess where all the shoes those boys sell are made too...

[Rad]

IMHO that's a much better way to show national pride than invading helpless countries like Grenada, detonating test nuclear warheads, or performing one of a host of other military muscle flexing scenarios.

 

Besides, if anyone gets frostbite you could just use the blue flame to quickly thaw it. If they are too far gone and need to be amputated you can toast up a tasty protein supplement...

[texplorer]

The chinese are just get rid of their own version of the "indian problem" that our country dealt with 130 years ago.

[gertlush]

The fact that they used oxygen (a performance enhancing drug) ties in quite nicely with the Olympic spirit.

 

Anyway that peak was more likely Rum Doodle than Everest

[Hugh Conway]

IMHO that's a much better way to show national pride than invading helpless countries like Grenada, detonating test nuclear warheads, or performing one of a host of other military muscle flexing scenarios.

 

Paging Mr. Hilter, Mr. Hilter...

[dougd]

Shit, anybody can climb Everest now. If a fat biker from LA, with enough metal in his body from surgeries to set off metal detectors from miles away, can pay $50k to have some kiwis short rope him to the summit and get him down safely with a broken hand...

 

chinese television station at base, internet cafe's, trash piles...

 

WTF is Everest now? It's a joke. And I find that sad.

 

Now we got the chinese summiting with a token Tibetan woman and a large candle... It's disrespectful to what was once a great mountain.

 

If I ever go back to Everest, it'll be to help clean up that mess

 

JMHO of course.

 

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[Adam13]

Fuck China. The bastards claimed to have summited 2 days before even though people saw them turn around after the 2nd step. wonder what else they lie to the world about.

[marc_leclerc]

IMHO that's a much better way to show national pride than invading helpless countries like Grenada, detonating test nuclear warheads, or performing one of a host of other military muscle flexing scenarios.

 

Paging Mr. Hilter, Mr. Hilter...

 

Thats the Eiger NF Team right? Harrer's facial expression in that pic is priceless!

[mazegirl]

Fuck China. The bastards claimed to have summited 2 days before even though people saw them turn around after the 2nd step. wonder what else they lie to the world about.

 

You are the liar!

 

Go China! I'm very proud of that I am a Chinese.

 

I think this event is great, shows a great spirit of strength and unity.

 

The torch of the Olympics is a symbol of peace and love when athletes come

together....

 

Study history, not the media. The truth is not to be found in the television broadcast. Please feel China by yourself not by Distorted Media Reports.

Edited May 10, 2008 by mazegirl

[AlpineK]

I've watched Chinese government officials run Tibetans off the road and deny that they were responsible for shelling and destroying Tibetan monasteries.

 

The Chinese Government (not necessarily the people) are a bunch of fucking assholes.

 

As to a few comments trying to compare our treatment of native Americans you really haven't paid much attention to the big picture. Yes Americans behaved badly, and some continue to, but there are many nonnative Americans that have devoted a lot of time and effort to making, "indians," lives better and making our government straighten up. I have family members that devoted time and effort for this. If this were China the Chinese government would have had them shot.

[Bug]

Mazegirl,

I respect the Chinese people but not the Chinese government. Tibet is being destroyed by Chinese Government policy and military force. It is no different than when the Taliban destroyed the 800 year old buddist statues except that more buddists are being killed in Tibet.

I look forward to the day when this older regime dies off and the Chinese gov stops killing people for practicing their multi thousand year old traditions.

No I have not been there but I have spoken with Tibetan refugees.

I suggest you do the same.

[dougd]

Be proud to be chinese. I can understand that...

 

But nobody could really be proud of what the chinese are doing in Tibet. Nobody in their right mind that is...

 

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[pink]

i wonder if mazegirl lives in china

[dougd]

Well, wherever she resides, she is obviously a nationalist. Nationalism is dangerous, and for a time we saw it on the rise in our own country. I think it is waning now in the US as more and more americans see our own terrible mistake in iraq.

 

I'm only a little sorry this thread has turned political, but it was not unanticipated...

 

I hope to be able to get back to the mountains soon, and kick some steps...

 

d

 

"Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like falling leaves.

[Hugh Conway]

IMHO that's a much better way to show national pride than invading helpless countries like Grenada, detonating test nuclear warheads, or performing one of a host of other military muscle flexing scenarios.

 

Paging Mr. Hilter, Mr. Hilter...

 

Thats the Eiger NF Team right? Harrer's facial expression in that pic is priceless!

 

Yes, shortly before they were congratulated by Herr Hitler

[mazegirl]

FYI:

 

Articles:

 

Tibet: A Reality Check. Article published in Frontier, a national

magazine in India

 

http://www.flonnet.com/fl1718/17180040.htm

 

 

Article written by MA.Jones, an Australian teacher in a Chinese

university who stayed in China for 5 years.

 

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073&sid=ce0b20590dd445725153c83b5ef21c7f

 

NEW ATTITUDES: Old Tibet no Shangri-La

http://www.ajc.com/search/content/opinion/stories/2008/04/08/newatted0408.html

 

 

Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth

Yale Professor Dr.Michael Parenti

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

 

Article by Melvyn C. Goldstein

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19980101faessay1360/melvyn-c-goldstein/the-dalai-lama-s-dilemma.html

 

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/07/13news.html

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/1999/04/11/pinochet990411.html

 

Tibet, China and the United States: Reflections on the Tibet Question.by

Melvyn C. Goldstein,

http://omni.cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/article/art4.html

 

“The Snow Lion and the Dragon, China, Tibet, and the Dalai Lama", by

Melvyn Goldstein,

http://www.amazon.com/Snow-Lion-Dragon-China-Tibet/dp/0520219511

 

A Year in Tibet (BBC),

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b00936pn.shtml , only available to UK

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate

 

The Secret Truth about The Dalai Lama

http://www.newspiritualbible.com/index2.html

 

Tibet, the 'great game' and the CIA http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/JC26Ad02.html

 

Why They Hate China

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12585

 

 

 

 

Videos

 

Tibet: The Truth,

 

“Study history, not media. The truth is not to be found in the television

broadcast.”

 

 

 

The documentary (a Youtube clip) made in 1944 during the WWII said very clearly: Tibet was part of China. If so, how can it become questionable today?

 

Free Tibet? Wait, where is Tibet?

 

"Free Tibet" voice from an American youth

 

 

Dalai "Da-Lie" Lama's Naked Truth Exposed;

 

The CIA in TIBET 1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tOhDBo6x2ZY

The CIA in TIBET 2:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Iwu5qYosTo0

The CIA in TIBET 3:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b2iaIcoHBl4

The CIA in TIBET 4:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zJYamwYSe2M

The CIA in TIBET 5:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FviSTNWRgHU

The CIA in TIBET 6:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8yMV0-KOY1k

 

Jack Cafferty CNN

Edited May 12, 2008 by mazegirl

[Rad]

"Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like falling leaves."

 

I know I've read that before. Is it John Muir?

[pink]

gee thanks but isn't this a form of media. i was just wondering where you laid your hat.

Edited May 11, 2008 by pink