this is wrong

[olyclimber]

i'm making a judgement. wrong.

 

http://www.ledgerdelaware.com/articles/2008/05/01/news/news.24.txt

[olyclimber]

[builder206]

[billcoe]

They'll teach you not to carry toy guns anyway.

 

It's true - I can't sleep, read the Climbing mag and a chapter or so of "Titan", decided to just stay up so I made some coffee and here we are.

Edited May 5, 2008 by billcoe

[Dechristo]

Curriculum choices for students, who are to be called Cadets, range from SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) through prison guard, water rescue, paramedic, fireman, professional demolition and emergency response operator, according to a Board statement.

 

I've had my fill of EMT and fireman training & duties. I'll take a helping of SWAT and professional demolition.

[AlpineK]

I used to love this show

 

nUJu17fAnKU

 

They got to drive classic 70s vehicles too.

[canyondweller]

How is this much different than other military schools? I'd say the concept is the same.

 

Additionally, if the British had gotten a little more exercise and training, they might not have gotten their asses kicked clear to Dunkirk by the kids pursuing 'Strength through Joy'.

[Hugh Conway]

Additionally, if the British had gotten a little more exercise and training, SOME FUNCTIONING WEAPONRY they might not have gotten their asses kicked clear to Dunkirk by the kids pursuing 'Strength through Joy'.

 

fixed it

[Off_White]

They're just training workers for a growth industry.

[STP]

 

Why is it that villains who populate the superhero universe are all insane? And, why is the authority of law and order glorified and elevated as the highest ideal?

[denalidave]

I used to love this show

 

nUJu17fAnKU

 

They got to drive classic 70s vehicles too.

Me too, it was my favorite when I was about 6. Good thing I never actually got the play SWAT gun set I was begging for or I'd probably be dead by now (see related thread about toy guns killing people).

[olyclimber]

The UPS Police!!!! What can brown do for you?

 

I used to love this show

 

nUJu17fAnKU

 

They got to drive classic 70s vehicles too.

[canyondweller]

Additionally, if the British had gotten a little more exercise and training, SOME FUNCTIONING WEAPONRY they might not have gotten their asses kicked clear to Dunkirk by the kids pursuing 'Strength through Joy'.

 

fixed it

 

We're both right, actually. Thank the NRA for the functioning weaponry, as they were key players in getting small arms from the U.S. to Britain in a hurry.

 

British government advertisements in American newspapers and in magazines such as The American Rifleman begged Americans to "Send A Gun to Defend a British HomeÐBritish civilians, faced with threat of invasion. desperately need arms for the defense of their homes." The ads pleaded for "Pistols, Rifles, Revolvers, Shotguns and Binoculars from American civilians who wish to answer the call and aid in defense of British homes."

 

Pro-Allied organizations in the United States collected weapons; the National Rifle Association shipped 7,000 guns to Britain.

- quoted from www.nraila.org

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what next?

[Fairweather]

50m/year of state tax dollars going to keep the doors open at TESC is wrong...

 

http://shiftshapers.gnn.tv/blogs/27131/Washington_Riot_at_Evergreen_State_College

[olyclimber]

in retrospect i was being over zealous in saying that this is wrong perhaps....it would be over zealous if it was a state run highschool for homeland security. then it would be the goosestepper youth.

 

i still think it is weird to have a highschool for homeland security though, even if it is privately run. i think it is a little different than a private military academy highschool in that it is so focused. i have always though private military academys as teaching mostly the diciplinary and "boot campish" elements, rather than actual military skills such as hand to hand combat or how to drive a tank or fire artillery. but this is a school focused on highschool aged kids to teach homeland security? its like rent-a-cop highschool or something.

 

regarding evergreen:

"Founded in 1967, Evergreen was formed to be an experimental and non-traditional college. Faculty issue narrative evaluations of students' work rather than grades, and Evergreen organizes most studies into largely interdisciplinary classes that generally constitute a full-time course load."

 

I wonder how one could say that experiment has faired (outside of that recent debacle, which was the act of specific people, but is perhaps the type of person attracted to the school?)?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evergreen_State_College

 

Notable alumni and students

 

* Lynda Barry, cartoonist and author

* Craig Bartlett, cartoonist and animator

* Josh Blue, stand-up comedian, winner of Last Comic Standing, member of U.S. Men's Paralympic Soccer Team

* Violetta Blue, porn star

* Carrie Brownstein, musician in band Sleater-Kinney

* Charles Burns, cartoonist

* William Clocksin, Artificial Intelligence pioneer

* Rachel Corrie (1979-2003), activist

* Kimya Dawson, musician

* Heather Duby, musician

* Timo Ellis, musician

* Phil Elverum, musician

* Steve Fisk, musician, audio engineer, and producer

* John Bellamy Foster, co-editor, Monthly Review

* Jason Frost, musician, publisher A Frosty J Productions (ASCAP)

* Elizabeth Furse, former U.S. Congresswoman

* Tim Girvin, calligrapher and designer

* Joey Gjertsen, soccer player with Montreal Impact of the USL First Division

* Matt Groening, cartoonist, creator of Life in Hell, The Simpsons, and Futurama; quoted in an interview with The A.V. Club as saying "I went to college in Olympia, Washington, a fine little progressive school called Evergreen State College, state-funded, no grades, no hard courses. I highly recommend it to all self-disciplined creative weirdoes."

* Frank Gunderson, ethnomusicologist

* Kathleen Hanna, musician in band Bikini Kill and Le Tigre

* Thorn Kief Hillsbery, author

* Benjamin Hoff, writer, The Tao of Pooh

* Steve House, Piolet d’Or Award Recipient

 

 

 

* Calvin Johnson, composer, musician, audio producer and founder of K Records

* Conrad Keely, vocalist/guitarist of indie rock band …And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead

* Megan Kelso, cartoonist

* Burke Kenny, winner of the Full Beard with Styled Moustache category at the 2007 World Beard and Moustache Championships. Also believed to be the youngest ever World Facial Hair Champion at age 22.

* Orin Kirshner, political scientist, Soka University of America; former executive director, Global Environment and Trade Study and senior fellow, Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy

* Stan Klyne, president of Klyne Audio Arts

* Bill Kozlowski (1971-2003), musician, co-founder of Juneau Information Service Technology, and medicinal marijuana advocate.

* Nomy Lamm, singer, songwriter, activist, accordianist

* Sarah Larson, Season 5 Fear Factor winner, girlfriend of George Clooney

* Scott Leers, activist

* Saab Lofton, author, activist

* Lois Maffeo, musician

* Audrey Marrs, film producer and Sundance Film Festival award winner

* Robert W. McChesney, co-editor, Monthly Review

* Andrew Mickel, murderer

* Judith Moore, author of the novel Fat Girl: A True Story

* Inga Muscio, author of book Cunt: A Declaration of Independence, feminist

* Ananda Selah Osel, poet

 

 

 

* Jared Pappas-Kelley, artist

* Bruce Pavitt, founder of Sub Pop Records

* Russell Potter, writer and college professor

* Joshua Pilzer, ethnomusicologist

* David Price, anthropologist

* Jeff Traugott, luthier

* Don Price, Deputy Head of Darfur for the United Nations

* Judge Christine Quinn-Brintnall, Washington State Court of Appeals Judge

* Heather Rae, filmmaker

* Michael Richards, actor, best known as "Cosmo Kramer" on Seinfeld

* Don Roff, writer and filmmaker.

* Greg and Jeff Sherman, members of Glass

* Ken Silverstein, investigative journalist

* D.C. Simpson, cartoonist

* Steve Thomas, host of the PBS show This Old House

* Sharon Tomiko Santos, Washington State Representative, 37th District

* Cappy Thompson, artist

* Corin Tucker, musician in band Sleater-Kinney

* Tobi Vail, musician in band Bikini Kill

* Ryan Wise, writer, director, editor and co-founder of Big Fantastic

* John Wozniak, musician in band Marcy Playground, record producer

* Mirah Zeitlyn, recording artist

* Tay Zonday, musician, internet video star, became internet-famous for "Chocolate Rain" on YouTube

 

[Fairweather]

The debacles are many, and are often instigated by staff including at least two mass expulsions from Mexico for illegal interference in elections there. Of course, Rachael Corrie's parents see things differently, but I can't help think that poor girl would have had a wonderful life had she been offered more balanced curricula. And lately, things have just gotten downright ugly in Olympia--and all roads seem to lead directly to The Evergreen State College. I think some profs and staff owe the public an explanation.

 

Now...you were saying something about a privately funded school that appears to offer a focused, albeit narrow curriculum directed toward internal security? I guess I'll agree it's odd--but at least we're not paying for it.

 

BTW: I only recognize four names on your list. I'll bet most other state schools produce superior alum lists annually. I also see a whole lot of "activists".

Edited May 6, 2008 by Fairweather

[Hugh Conway]

BTW: I only recognize four names on your list. I'll bet most other state schools produce superior alum lists annually. I also see a whole lot of "activists".

 

WTF is your point? That inbreed hicks don't know shit?

[mattp]

Hey: be nice. He's right: activists really suck. People who love to deride others and call each other names on the Internet are way better.

[AlpineK]

Judging by the image

 

 

The woman looks like she's laughing as she walks by her wrecked company (police) vehicle. Perhaps she'd have a different attitude if it was her vehicle.

 

You don't like Evergreen Fairweather. You've stated that a few times. I'm not sure what to say. The college runs the canopy crane down in the wind river forest south of Mt. Adams. That's a pretty cool thing. I got a ride in it once. They do a lot of interesting research.

 

On the other hand I don't like hippies, and they have a few down at the college.

[Off_White]

Fairweather, no doubt you feel the same about WSU where they had that massive riot 10 years ago over the important issue of on campus drinking.

 

The crowd then attacked the officers from all sides for two hours with rocks, beer bottles, signposts, chairs, and pieces of concrete, allegedly cheering whenever an officer was struck and injured. Twenty-three officers were injured, some suffering concussions and broken bones. Reports of students and onlookers injured ranged from four to 12. Three people were arrested during the melee.

 

Recently, we had a double homicide at Ft Lewis over extramarital jealousy.

 

Davila, 22, is charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice with two counts of premeditated murder, one count of kidnapping, one count of burglary and one count of obstruction of justice.

 

Probable cause documents say Davila killed the couple in their Parkland, Wash. home Saturday because she was angry an ex-boyfriend left her to have a relationship with Randi Miller. It's believed Davila shot the couple multiple times, and then poured acid on them in the bathtub in an attempt to destroy the bodies.

 

Davila took the couple's daughter, but when she was questioned by a friend about why she had the girl, she allegedly admitted she had killed the parents.

 

In fact, military personnel commit domestic violence at a rate 3 to 5 times greater than the civilian population. I think we oughta shut that operation down too, it's a huge waste of public dollars.

 

 

 

Face it Fairweather, you've just got an ideological axe to grind with regards to TESC. If you really only recognize four names on that list, I'm a little embarrassed for you. add:

 

Off White, internet gumby

 

to that list of alums. That'll make it five.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Fairweather]

Alumni--like you and Matt--should be embarrassed by the recent crop of students and profs. Activism/peaceful protest is OK. Promotion of anarchy isn't what the vast majority of Washingtonians are paying for. Write a letter. Save your school.

[Hugh Conway]

Hey: be nice. He's right: activists really suck. People who love to deride others and call each other names on the Internet are way better.

 

I believe we call those people impotent activists

[STP]

The WTO protest of 1999. What do you remember about it? The majority of folks were ok but some agitators pushed things over the line. I'd be hardpressed to blame the business damage to hardcore political groups rather than some criminal opportunists who took advantage of the situation.

 

You would think that Evergreen is some hotbed of radicalism that serves as a gathering place for the training of potential unlawful enemy combatants.