Women over 20

[knotzen]

I just think it's kind of funny when older women are shocked! shocked! that the average guy is going find the average 20 year old's body more attractive than the average 40 year old's. Are there any bald guys out there who really think that they look just as good 15 years into male-pattern baldness and resent those who suggest otherwise?

 

That's not what I said, that's not what the original quote said, and that's not what Toast said. The quote from Derbyshire, whoever that is was that "at age 36 the forces of nature have won out over the view-worthiness of the unsupported female bust," and that the "salad days" which I take to mean sexual attractiveness, are from age 15 to 20.

 

That's simply ridiculous. Of course there are women over 36, and certainly over 20, who are not only view-worthy, but are stunningly sexy. Many more are love-worthy and fuck-worthy, even though they don't have the bodies of a 20-year-old.

 

I think it takes a mature man and life experience to recognize that. There's nothing PC about it. But hey, that's just me.

 

But I'll leave you to fight amongst yourselves.

[Dru]

From Wikipedia:

 

At the age of 54 Nancy Sinatra posed for Playboy in their May 1995 issue along with releasing a new CD, One More Time and making guest appearances on TV shows to promote the new material. The Playboy appearence caused a great deal of controvery and some complaints from her family. The pictorial was quite explicit with Nancy even showing pubic hair. Her father Frank reportedly became furious when someone told him that he had, "seen your daughter's pussy."

[KaskadskyjKozak]

That's not what I said, that's not what the original quote said, and that's not what Toast said. The quote from Derbyshire, whoever that is was that "at age 36 the forces of nature have won out over the view-worthiness of the unsupported female bust,"

 

Nice creative editing. The quote included this line:

 

"It is, in fact, a sad truth about human life that beyond our salad days, very few of us are interesting to look at in the buff."

 

Key words: "very few of us" - that's everyone - of both genders.

 

[cj001f]

but pedophillia refers specifically to a sexual attraction to those who haven't reached sexual maturity. While I think that adults who knowingly gawk at highschoolers are creepy, and probably have some other issues going on, I don't think they necessarily qualify as pedophiles.

JayB-

posession of Child Pornography (nude pictures of those under 18) and Statutory Rape (sexual conduct with someone not of the age of consent)are sex crimes and can require you to be a registered sex offender in some jurisdictions. I found it disgusting that a writer could opine the above thoughts on the website of the National Review - a magazine that supports the current sodomy laws and reviles gays as perverts.

[JayB]

Hypocrisy angle - got it. I personally find it galling when all of the free-love folks that eschewed marriage as a prison constructed by the patriarchical-industry complex tied the knot! The nerve of those people.

 

But anyway - yeah - I suspect that there's definitely a Hawthornesque subtext running through the tirades of quite a few public moralists.

 

With respect to the laws you mention - I fully support the laws that we have and am glad that they're there to protect minors from all sorts of creepy folks who might take advantage of them, but I also think that there's clearly a difference between someone who meets someone sporting a fake ID at a bar, and the furtive looking guy with the white, windowless Econoline crusing around the periphery of the local playground...

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Hypocrisy angle - got it.

 

Hypocrisy angle? Where? If the writer is talking about women older than the age of consent then there is no hyprocisy whatsoever (and it is as low as 16 in many states). And the excerpt posted appears to be merely talking about physical attractiveness / beauty of youth, and says nothing about photographing or having sex with them.

 

On the other hand, consider someone who claims to be outraged by such "hypocrisy" and yet supports groups like the ACLU, an organization that "defends" the free speech "rights" of pedophiles (e.g. NAMBLA)... In fact the sexual abuse of young people (especially girls) are often supported in the name of unfettered "free speech" - a characteristic position of the left...

Edited December 2, 2005 by KaskadskyjKozak

[lummox]

i been enjoying some postmenopausal nookie.

it aint bad. really

[cactus2clouds]

Let's admit it guys: a fit 40 year old woman is hot!

[Macson]

Mmmm, got MILF?

[JayB]

Old story...

 

"End Of Road For 'GOTMILF?' License Plate"

 

ULY 21--This is the story of GOTMILF. In May 2002, Michael Syravong filed the below "personalized license plate application" with Washington's Department of Licensing. GOTMILF was Syravong's first choice among the three possible personalized tags he listed on the state form (he would have settled for SUPL8EZ or RCKSTAR). Asked for the meaning of GOTMILF, Syravong wrote, "Manual Inline Lift Fluctuator," .....

[sk]

Cloth yourselves in the presence of conservatives!

 

Even with the strenuous body-hardening exercise routines now compulsory for movie stars, at age 36 the forces of nature have won out over the view-worthiness of the unsupported female bust. It is, in fact, a sad truth about human life that beyond our salad days, very few of us are interesting to look at in the buff. Added to that sadness is the very unfair truth that a woman's salad days are shorter than a man's — really, in this precise context, only from about 15 to 20." - John Derbyshire

 

i try to not measure my self worth by the desires, be they fickle or other wise, of anyone else. i am who i am. some days i am on and some i am not.

[whoohoonickieclimbs]

ugh!

[minx]

oh this is possibly the stupidest friggin topic ever posted on cc.com.

[cj001f]

oh this is possibly the stupidest friggin topic ever posted on cc.com.

I'm honored

[archenemy]

oh this is possibly the stupidest friggin topic ever posted on cc.com.

Easy for you to say-

you're in your meat-eating days and still fuckin hot.

 

Let the rest of us squabble amongst ourselves

[Dechristo]

Cloth yourselves in the presence of conservatives!

 

Even with the strenuous body-hardening exercise routines now compulsory for movie stars, at age 36 the forces of nature have won out over the view-worthiness of the unsupported female bust. It is, in fact, a sad truth about human life that beyond our salad days, very few of us are interesting to look at in the buff. Added to that sadness is the very unfair truth that a woman's salad days are shorter than a man's — really, in this precise context, only from about 15 to 20." - John Derbyshire

Though this quote is from a "conservative" writer, it seems to me to be a sentiment common to all political persuasions.

It is more than plausible that men are genetically predisposed to find desirable for procreation those that are most able to bear the demands of childbirth physically. But, this is only a partial explanation for the above quote. Our culture nurtures popular definitions for what is "interesting to look at in the buff" and heightens the interest and definition with proliferous production and availability of images; witness the burgeoning porn industry. Speculatively, the "interest" passes from those of primordial procreation to base sexual gratification as repeated visual objectification nurtures voyeurism and may foster aberrant sexual appetites.

Knowing myself, I deflect objectification and the allure du voyeur as it promotes self-centeredness and, in irony, diminishes the experience of love-making.

 

"Age 36" seems a random choice. Breasts, the state of their support structures by age and their characteristics, vary from woman to woman with genetics, general health, and episodes of lactation.

 

Wut da fuck is this "salad days" allusion?

[Dechristo]

you're in your meat-eating days and still fuckin hot.

Wut da fuck is this "salad days" allusion?

Yeah, "salad days" infers to me the opposite of what Derbyshire connotes.

[minx]

oh this is possibly the stupidest friggin topic ever posted on cc.com.

Easy for you to say-

you're in your meat-eating days and still fuckin hot.

 

Let the rest of us squabble amongst ourselves

 

true...but apparently i've only got a year before gravity overtakes my breasts.

[archenemy]

My guess is that I am not the only woman who finds men "of a certain age" that stare at 20 year olds unattractive.

[selkirk]

oh this is possibly the stupidest friggin topic ever posted on cc.com.

Easy for you to say-

you're in your meat-eating days and still fuckin hot.

 

Let the rest of us squabble amongst ourselves

 

true...but apparently i've only got a year before gravity overtakes my breasts.

 

Better show em' off now then.

[cj001f]

Better show em' off now then.

You didn't see her boobies? Thought everyone had. They were a bit blue - perhaps cryogenics to arrest the aging process?

[JayB]

Cloth yourselves in the presence of conservatives!

 

Even with the strenuous body-hardening exercise routines now compulsory for movie stars, at age 36 the forces of nature have won out over the view-worthiness of the unsupported female bust. It is, in fact, a sad truth about human life that beyond our salad days, very few of us are interesting to look at in the buff. Added to that sadness is the very unfair truth that a woman's salad days are shorter than a man's — really, in this precise context, only from about 15 to 20." - John Derbyshire

Though this quote is from a "conservative" writer, it seems to me to be a sentiment common to all political persuasions.

It is more than plausible that men are genetically predisposed to find desirable for procreation those that are most able to bear the demands of childbirth physically. But, this is only a partial explanation for the above quote. Our culture nurtures popular definitions for what is "interesting to look at in the buff"

 

Physical ideals have been around for a while - witness the physiques on display in hellenic/hellenistic statuary.

[minx]

Better show em' off now then.

You didn't see her boobies? Thought everyone had. They were a bit blue - perhaps cryogenics to arrest the aging process?

 

yes i've already flashed my blue boobies. once is all you get!

[Macson]

Wut da fuck is this "salad days" allusion?

 

salad days, noun:

A time of youthful inexperience, innocence, or indiscretion.

 

Those were his salad days, and he thought they might last forever.

--David Gergen, " 'They Love You. Watch Out,' " New York Times, February 2, 1997

 

 

Salad days was coined by Shakespeare in Antony and Cleopatra: "My salad days,/ When I was green in judgment, cold in blood."

[selkirk]

I think how physically attractive men and women are is more closely tied to their health then their age. There are certainly cultures or groups that take things to extremes (indiginous polynesian cultures on one end and the whole heroin chic thing on the other) but in general women who are in the 40's and in good shape physically and mentally are much more attractive then the chicks who are skin and bones at 17 or significantly overweight at 20.

 

Of course as people age they're physical condition often goes to shit but that's a seperate story. In the last 20 years i've watched my dad go from being in great alpine climbing shape, to sporting a pretty good belly, and it has much more to do with activity level than age.

 

So is the average 40 year old more likely to be couchbound and overweight and therefore rathe unattractive? Probably

 

OOps! Almost forgot