RuMR Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 knowing how long it takes to get any engineering done w/ the railroads down here, i suspect that the RR had these plans sitting on a shelf ready to go at a moment's notice/reason...They were probably just salivating for the opportunity to enact the plans... my guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 It would be funny if people learned to climb shotcrete (which I have never seen) and just kept going. They could rename routes, add little plastic holds where necessary and mark it with bits of tape. No chalk would be allowed of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 they are already doing it...REI's big wall is shotcrete... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 what a fucking bummer. I hate mondays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 they are already doing it...REI's big wall is shotcrete... Is that true, or are you pulling my leg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 no...it is shotcrete...several other wall companies build them that way too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 After totally flailing Clean crack, I fumble to untie my shoes. Looking up, the beast was 40 feet away and rolling so quietly that I did not hear the engine. I was 4 feet from the tracks, sitting down. The climbing world will mourn the loss of the finest granite climbing area 20 feet from train tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwrts Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Yeah it is a good thing the LTW is not as close to the tracks as this lost crag. The climbing at Larabee in Bellingham could possibly meet this same fate if climbers there do not tread carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Shotcrete is aid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Simpkins Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Yeah it is a good thing the LTW is not as close to the tracks as this lost crag. The climbing at Larabee in Bellingham could possibly meet this same fate if climbers there do not tread carefully. I think if the put concrete on the spots by the tracks in Belingham , it would actually improve the climbing a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stemalot Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 it's a sad situation... but once the concrete is dry, you and add bolts to the wall and make slab climbs out of it! since it is artificial, chipping out hand and feet holds will be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventureboy Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 It blows me away that one rail car stoppage woudl even come close to necessitating the hosing down of a known recreation area. I've seen a similar occurance in alaska where they(the MAN)Blew up a crag that was close to a railway. Some jacweed tied off to the tracks and almost took a train to the dome. What is there to say but be responsible, you might be the guy to wreck a crag forver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 I think in this case, the train (who owns that right of way?) was delayed and pissed. It was their right, right? And in US, I would think liability would prompt similar action? Another good reason to remember your donation to Access Fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr._Natural Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 bobby getting it while the getting was good. we'll miss you LM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 The DOT shotcreted about a half mile of cliffs last year here along the highway. I heard they'll be hosing down more cliffs soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Anybody local want to provide a post-destruction pic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraysovereign Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 I can't - I'm in Salt Lake City for the next few days. Anybody else want to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miller Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 (edited) OK...I hate to ruin the fun, but when I first saw this thread it really pissed me off because I love Clean Crack and I actually believed that it had been shortcreted. So for the rest of you who may be as stressed as I was about it...well, I just dont know if I'd believe it just yet... Rumors? Edited August 12, 2005 by miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticelement Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 afaik, they own the access to the crag, not the crag itself. is this true? they actually own about the bottom 15 meters of the crag. Did they spray more than 15 meters? Point being: If you can prove that they have destroyed property that they did not own then maybe you could put their feet to the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erden Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 What they did was wrong even though the tracks are their property. Perhaps the next time there is a train derailment and the railroad company spews chemicals into the streams and the atmosphere, the rest of the society should shotcreate over their tracks so the trains never come through again... Erden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraysovereign Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 ... Perhaps the next time there is a train derailment and the railroad company spews chemicals into the streams and the atmosphere, the rest of the society should shotcreate over their tracks so the trains never come through again... Actually, the Cheakamus River is within 15M of the tracks, so it's within their right-of-way, so they can do what they want with it. All those fish were trespassing anyway, and had been for years. If you ask me, the slimy little buggers got exactly what they deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 It is rather ironic that after all the theoretical babble about how excessive modern bolting will reduce access due to the horrors of impact perceived by land managers, it's actually a trad climber that gets an exceptional crag ruined and obliterated for life. Never mind merely closed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 i'd say it was more the draconian response of the railroad that obliterated the crag. they didn't *have* to put a layer of concrete over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 It is rather ironic that after all the theoretical babble about how excessive modern bolting will reduce access due to the horrors of impact perceived by land managers, it's actually a trad climber that gets an exceptional crag ruined and obliterated for life. Never mind merely closed.... Lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 What is there to say but be responsible, you might be the guy to wreck a crag forver. THAT is the lesson to be learned. However, I think BC Rail should endure an unparalleled negative publicity campaign. Isn't that a tourist route, from Vancouver up to Squamish? Vancouver news media may just sell some papers with a story that exposes the way BC Rail degrades the natural beauty of Howe Sound when it is because of this beauty that tourists make the journey. Anyway, I'm depressed. Loved the climbs down there. Caboose was one of my first 5.10 leads. I will not forget how incredibly pumped that made me. Clean Crack? That must have been one of the best finger cracks ever. Anybody hear the story of Snickers falling off the crux on a solo attempt, only to jump right back on and complete it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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