Blake Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Cheaper and lighter than the new BDs with more expansion range as well. http://www.trango.com/prod.php?id=113 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COL._Von_Spanker Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Trango is pulling out all the stops in their engineering dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Those animated fingers are sexy. I'm getting funny feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogen Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 The advantage seems to be in the smaller sizes. Black Diamond #.5 New Cam0.80-1.3" 12 kN (3.4 oz) #.75 New Cam 0.96-1.58" 14 kN (4.1 oz) #1 New Cam 1.2-2.0" 14 kN (4.7 oz) #2 New Cam 1.5-2.5" 14 kN (5.6 oz) #3 New Cam 2.0-3.44" 14 kN (7.1 oz) #4 New Cam 2.6-4.5" 14 kN (9.8 oz) Trango Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Virtual Pivot Point (see Santa Cruz Bikes) anyone??? Whoa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 3, 2005 Author Share Posted February 3, 2005 Trango is pulling out all the stops in their engineering dept. I agree, quality innovation over there for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Speaking of which, any first-hand reviews of the Cinch yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Seems like that knob extending out the back would get in the way in pockets and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Hmm, the stem is always closer to the larger lobes, any shifting around is gonna pivot on the smaller lobes methinks. Better buy some new shoes for those babies while you're at it, cuase they're gonna do some walkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Tho maybe not given that the larger lobe always protrudes farther into the crack . . . any enginshmeers out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 It looks to me like there's no way the inside cams can move independently - so it's essentially a TCU. But I am just a girl and bad at 3D spatializations ... so maybe I am wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paborden Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Speaking of which, any first-hand reviews of the Cinch yet? Got a chance to use it this weekend, actually. Its a little confusing at first, since feeding out slack requires the opposite movement than the grigri (the main lobe pivots upwards to feed out slack, versus downwards on the grigri). That said, once you get the hang of it, on the cinch it is easier to keep your hand in a braking position and feed out slack at the same time. The cinch is also much much lighter and more compact. However, reductions in size come at a price. The brake level on the cinch seems miniscule and is MUCH more pressure sensitive. There is also much less braking surface on the cinch -- whereas the grigri has that entire rolled over flap, the cinch only has an extremely small area directly below where the rope exits the device. On the grigri, you roll the rope to the right, over the braking flap. On the cinch, you have to hold the rope straight down below where it exits the device. Less surface area = less braking. Because of this, I'd feel much less comfortable handing the cinch to someone not familiar with the device or belaying in general. Granted, that's not something you really want to do with a grigri, either -- but, with the cinch, you really really don't want to do it. So, my thoughts were mixed. Old habits die hard, I guess. But the real reason for my reluctance? Clearly, if I used the cinch across the pond, all my euro friends would laugh at me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shapp Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Fern, I do not think you are correct, although I doubt it has anything to do with being a girl. If they are indpendant then these would most likely be able to fit in some very flared placements, trango makes mention of this in on their page, they say that the cams can work like off-sets. I usually am not much of a gear head, I still climb alot with rigid friends (at least the bigger sizes), but I am very interested in checking these out. Especially in the largest two sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Are those cams on the market yet? What are they called? What does the thumb rest look like? Is it a loop like the other Trangos & new BDs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_m Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 It looks to me like there's no way the inside cams can move independently - so it's essentially a TCU. But I am just a girl and bad at 3D spatializations ... so maybe I am wrong? Take a look at the product pict on their web site - the inner cams are independent which makes me think it's a 4CU. Cool. VERY Interested in these as well. I think the animation was just simplified which makes it looks like a TCU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 3, 2005 Author Share Posted February 3, 2005 Are those cams on the market yet? What are they called? What does the thumb rest look like? Is it a loop like the other Trangos & new BDs? same thumb loop as new trangos/BDs. I do wish they made one more size up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_m Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Virtual Pivot Point (see Santa Cruz Bikes) anyone??? Whoa! Damn! I thought the same thing - The old Blurr model I think - should've bought this used one off a buddy of mine but climbing gear was the (was? is!) the priority. These things look AWESOME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Are those cams on the market yet? Don't worry, they'll start turning up stuck in your favorite cracks soon enough:-) Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paborden Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Could someone please convince me why these new cams are so special? I ask because, from the two charts compared above, the new Trango cams gain between .2-.3 compared to the new Camalots. Weight difference is minimal. Maybe I'm missing something, but .2 of an inch doesn't seem groundbreaking, IMHO. Plus, when the axle pivots out as in the animation above, it effectively limits any shallow placement you might want to use... Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 4, 2005 Author Share Posted February 4, 2005 Because now BD doesn't have a monopply on the expansion range. Plus these are cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurthicks Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 I just talked to a trango rep who says they'll be on the market in May. hopefully it won't be like a cinch, where it took a year to get them out in massive quantities though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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