aukushner Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 How bad is DC really? Lots of crowds, lot of people.... but for two people who have never done rainier (we have done hood, adams, middle and s. sister, helens) just curious..... Quote
John Frieh Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 A good life policy I try to follow is: if you don't know; don't do it. You and only you are responsible for yourself in the mountains. Quote
John Frieh Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 With that said: conditions do look good for the weekend. The two best "tools" you can take with you are knowledge and judgment. One is useless without the other, but when used together they are invaluable. Quote
Alex Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 if you are not disuaded by the crowds on s side of hood on a nice weekend, you should have no problem with the crowds on the DC. Â the DC is a bump up in technical difficulty from the std routes on the mountains you mention, however. Â Alex Quote
aukushner Posted June 16, 2004 Author Posted June 16, 2004 Oh yes, totally understand all of those pieces. Not thinking of it for right now - just trying to glean some more information than what I have in books - you know, from people who have climbed. Hard if you have never done it, to actually know how it is! Thanks though! Quote
John Frieh Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 just trying to glean some more information than what I have in books - you know, from people who have climbed. Â PM Pandora. Quote
CascadeClimber Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 the DC is a bump up in technical difficulty from the std routes on the mountains you mention, however.  Alex  It is also a jump up in objective danger: There can be significant rock and icefall, avy danger, and more crevasse monkey-business.  Climb safe.  -L Quote
Figger_Eight Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 The time I've been on it, most of the objective danger has been from the number of people on the route versus the actual conditions of the route. Quote
fear Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 DC is a great summer route in good weather conditions. Just have your shit together even though it's a trench. I always try to be the first team leaving Muir or Ingrahm. That means a 11PM departure sometimes. That'll cut down on any rockfall from the DC and avoid the RMI herds. You'll also be down before everything turns to the dreaded wet oatmeal. Nothing beats a sunrise from the top either... Â -Fear Quote
eternalX Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Why not do the Emmons route? Less people and less rockfall. Quote
JoshK Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Why not do the Emmons route? Less people and less rockfall. Â Prettier side of the mountain too, IMHO unless you dig the look of the paradise inn and muir and hundreds of RMI drones. Quote
AaronB Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 A good life policy I try to follow is: if you don't know; don't do it. You and only you are responsible for yourself in the mountains. Wow with this "Don't attempt the unknown" We'd still be climbing the rocks at stonehenge. Â I'd say fuck it, try it, half the fun is route finding, "not a problem on the DC on a w/e" and experiencing the indecision with climbing. Quote
CascadeClimber Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 A good life policy I try to follow is: if you don't know; don't do it. You and only you are responsible for yourself in the mountains. Wow with this "Don't attempt the unknown" We'd still be climbing the rocks at stonehenge. Â I think what NOLSe meant to say is this: Â As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know. Â I agree with the Emmons talk. The DC is overcrowded, ugly, and overly dangerous, relatively. Â -L Quote
quikclimber Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 go climb....it beats sitting around talking about it get an early start and have fun Quote
aukushner Posted June 17, 2004 Author Posted June 17, 2004 Yep - the thought is to do the emmons - sounds much better. How is it in mid-july? Quote
ivan Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 just trying to glean some more information than what I have in books - you know, from people who have climbed. Â PM Pandora. Â why? have they put a dsl line into the muir hut recently??? Quote
Pandora Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 just trying to glean some more information than what I have in books - you know, from people who have climbed. Â PM Pandora. Â why? have they put a dsl line into the muir hut recently??? Â Whatever, kid . I haven't been up there in six weeks! I'm not even sure whether my little snowman prince is still there Quote
Pandora Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know. Â Am I the only one who thinks that makes sense? Â Â To get back on topic, I like the DC in early season when the cleaver is still covered in snow. It's certainly not the route you want if you're looking for solitude or a wilderness experience, but it has its advantages. And it is by far my favorite descent route! When you top out in shitty conditions, it's a relief to get on that low-angle, switchbacking trench and sail down to Muir. Quote
eternalX Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 So is rockfall not a danger right now? i need to buy a helmet, but every weekend i can put it off, the happier i am Quote
CascadeClimber Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 So is rockfall not a danger right now? i need to buy a helmet, but every weekend i can put it off, the happier i am  Take a helmet. There is rockfall hazard in several places on the route. Quote
cracked Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Climbing is DANGEROUS . You might DIE . Don't do it . Stay at home on the couch instead. Quote
Stephen_Ramsey Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 So is rockfall not a danger right now? i need to buy a helmet, but every weekend i can put it off, the happier i am Here's some good reading for you to ponder:  http://www.nps.gov/mora/climb/cl_rpt.htm  Search on "Hommer Incident". Granted, the incident was on September 23rd. But rockfall on the D.C. can certainly happen in June. Quote
fenderfour Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 It's funny that you mention that incident. My buddy was on the hill that day and met Hommer as well as Wickwire at Camp Muir just before they set out to the Cleaver. Â FYI - he said Wickwire was a dick. -<shrug>- Quote
fear Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 FYI - he said Wickwire was a dick. -<shrug>- Â Â And noone had helmets from the reports. wtf? Having dodged my share of 80mph bombs on the DC that seems kinda silly... Â -Fear Quote
Marko Posted June 19, 2004 Posted June 19, 2004 As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know. Â Isn't that Rum-speak? Quote
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