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How bad is DC really? Lots of crowds, lot of people.... but for two people who have never done rainier (we have done hood, adams, middle and s. sister, helens)

just curious.....

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A good life policy I try to follow is: if you don't know; don't do it. You and only you are responsible for yourself in the mountains.

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With that said: conditions do look good for the weekend. The two best "tools" you can take with you are knowledge and judgment. One is useless without the other, but when used together they are invaluable.

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if you are not disuaded by the crowds on s side of hood on a nice weekend, you should have no problem with the crowds on the DC.

 

the DC is a bump up in technical difficulty from the std routes on the mountains you mention, however.

 

Alex

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Oh yes, totally understand all of those pieces. Not thinking of it for right now - just trying to glean some more information than what I have in books - you know, from people who have climbed. Hard if you have never done it, to actually know how it is! Thanks though!

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just trying to glean some more information than what I have in books - you know, from people who have climbed.

 

PM Pandora.

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the DC is a bump up in technical difficulty from the std routes on the mountains you mention, however.

 

Alex

 

It is also a jump up in objective danger: There can be significant rock and icefall, avy danger, and more crevasse monkey-business.

 

Climb safe.

 

-L

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The time I've been on it, most of the objective danger has been from the number of people on the route versus the actual conditions of the route.

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DC is a great summer route in good weather conditions. Just have your shit together even though it's a trench. I always try to be the first team leaving Muir or Ingrahm. That means a 11PM departure sometimes. That'll cut down on any rockfall from the DC and avoid the RMI herds. You'll also be down before everything turns to the dreaded wet oatmeal. Nothing beats a sunrise from the top either...

 

-Fear

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Why not do the Emmons route? Less people and less rockfall.

 

Prettier side of the mountain too, IMHO unless you dig the look of the paradise inn and muir and hundreds of RMI drones.

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A good life policy I try to follow is: if you don't know; don't do it. You and only you are responsible for yourself in the mountains.

Wow with this "Don't attempt the unknown" We'd still be climbing the rocks at stonehenge.

 

I'd say fuck it, try it, half the fun is route finding, "not a problem on the DC on a w/e" and experiencing the indecision with climbing.

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A good life policy I try to follow is: if you don't know; don't do it. You and only you are responsible for yourself in the mountains.

Wow with this "Don't attempt the unknown" We'd still be climbing the rocks at stonehenge.

 

I think what NOLSe meant to say is this:

 

As we know,

There are known knowns.

There are things we know we know.

We also know

There are known unknowns.

That is to say

We know there are some things

We do not know.

But there are also unknown unknowns,

The ones we don't know

We don't know.

wink.gif

 

I agree with the Emmons talk. The DC is overcrowded, ugly, and overly dangerous, relatively.

 

-L

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just trying to glean some more information than what I have in books - you know, from people who have climbed.

 

PM Pandora.

 

why? have they put a dsl line into the muir hut recently??? yelrotflmao.gif

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just trying to glean some more information than what I have in books - you know, from people who have climbed.

 

PM Pandora.

 

why? have they put a dsl line into the muir hut recently??? yelrotflmao.gif

 

Whatever, kid tongue.gif. I haven't been up there in six weeks! I'm not even sure whether my little snowman prince is still there cry.gif

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As we know,

There are known knowns.

There are things we know we know.

We also know

There are known unknowns.

That is to say

We know there are some things

We do not know.

But there are also unknown unknowns,

The ones we don't know

We don't know.

 

Am I the only one who thinks that makes sense? confused.gif

 

 

To get back on topic, I like the DC in early season when the cleaver is still covered in snow. It's certainly not the route you want if you're looking for solitude or a wilderness experience, but it has its advantages. And it is by far my favorite descent route! When you top out in shitty conditions, it's a relief to get on that low-angle, switchbacking trench and sail down to Muir.

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So is rockfall not a danger right now? i need to buy a helmet, but every weekend i can put it off, the happier i am cantfocus.gif

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So is rockfall not a danger right now? i need to buy a helmet, but every weekend i can put it off, the happier i am cantfocus.gif

 

Take a helmet. There is rockfall hazard in several places on the route.

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Climbing is DANGEROUS hellno3d.gif. You might DIE hellno3d.gif. Don't do it thumbs_up.gif. Stay at home on the couch instead.

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It's funny that you mention that incident. My buddy was on the hill that day and met Hommer as well as Wickwire at Camp Muir just before they set out to the Cleaver.

 

FYI - he said Wickwire was a dick. -<shrug>-

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FYI - he said Wickwire was a dick. -<shrug>-

 

hahaha.gif

 

And noone had helmets from the reports. wtf? Having dodged my share of 80mph bombs on the DC that seems kinda silly...

 

-Fear

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As we know,

There are known knowns.

There are things we know we know.

We also know

There are known unknowns.

That is to say

We know there are some things

We do not know.

But there are also unknown unknowns,

The ones we don't know

We don't know.

 

Isn't that Rum-speak?

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