Jim Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 While the "protest" is way over the top, the sentencing also seems a bit stiff. 22 years with no parole for tourching 11 SUVs - much stiffer than rape or attempted murder combined. I don't agree with the activist tactics but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. http://www.portlandmercury.com/2004-06-10/feature.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 It sure doesn't. He'll get out on appeal or at least a reduced sentence. F*cking hick bastard judge. Probably masturbates nightly over being able to put a treehugger in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehead Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Why is it that a property crime committed against corporate interests is judged to be worse than some blue-collar crime committed by corporate agents against the general public? Did it start in 1886 with the US Supreme Court case, Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad? And why are some 'people' more equal than others, i.e., are granted more leniency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 They're just bitter since the ELF burned down the mega-million dollar ski lodge. Seems like they scapegoated this guy for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Put that fuck inside an SUV and start it on fire. That's a fitting punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 burn hummerwood burn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Put that fuck inside an SUV and start it on fire. That's a fitting punishment. Huh? Dude the SUV's were sitting in a car dealership lot. What the fuck are you talking about? Or are you joking? In that case, you're still pretty sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 11, 2004 Author Share Posted June 11, 2004 Certainly seems like they want to make an example. I saw some Ascroft rants recently where he would like to try these eco-warrior types under the same punishment guidlines for "terrorists". Idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Read the article. MANDITORY MINIMUNS SUCK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Well creating your own little militant sect and trying to do battle with your own government has always been frowned upon, and dealt with accordingly. But destroying a young man's life because he burned some cars is fucking psychotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Read the article. MANDITORY MINIMUNS SUCK! I don't see this as the problem. The problem is the judge somehow decided that this man was trying to hurt people, when in fact all he tried to do and all he did was damage property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Put that fuck inside an SUV and start it on fire. That's a fitting punishment. Gee. I guess a life's worth $400k to Greg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Put that fuck inside an SUV and start it on fire. That's a fitting punishment. Gee. I guess a life's worth $400k to Greg. Correction $40k. 22 years in prison for $40k damage? And Neil Goldschmidt gets off for Child Molestation to Oregon Justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scratchandsniff Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Put that fuck inside an SUV and start it on fire. Thats BS Greg. Guess he should have just tagged them with the bumper stickers. I support Gregs truck having a bumper sticker which says " I suck Arab gASS and support a weak America." Truth in advertising. check this out: http://www.changingtheclimate.com/mission.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Well creating your own little militant sect and trying to do battle with your own government has always been frowned upon, and dealt with accordingly. But destroying a young man's life because he burned some cars is fucking psychotic. He destroyed his own life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglehead Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 I agree with that. There is no Oregon Justice. Goldschmidt should go to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 You guys are not looking at this thing rationally. Just because it was done in the name of "envioronmentalism" you think he should get off easier than some other kind of criminal. I think setting an example of this guy is fine. The ELF and others like them are getting away with too much. I don't like these guys or their tactics at all and I know the government is fed up. Only problem is he may become a martyr of sorts. I believe part of the reason arson carries such a strong sentence is because while it may not be the intent, it has the potential of injuring or killing emergency responders and innocent bystanders. Once the arsonist has lit the fire, he really has no control over how far it'll go. It takes a pretty malicious mind to light fires in hopes it'll destroy someone's property. I doubt he has much regard for human life and belongs in prison. What the hell is a minimun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 I'm kinda on the fence here. Torching a few SUVs, while reckless and irresponsible, does not include the willful harm of humans. His intent was to destroy the property, not hurt anyone. As such, I don't like that his sentence is greater than that for crimes where the intent WAS bodily harm (eg murder, rape, etc). Then again, he deserves punishment, and as for the case that the sentence will ruin his life, well, nobody forced him to burn the SUV. He fucked up, it's his fault. As for classifying him as a terrorist, here's a definition: One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. Hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Give me a fucking break. It doesn't matter one bit if it was "ecoterrorism" or just some kid setting some shit on fire. 22 years for $40k worth of arson damage is completely fucking unreasonable. I guaratnee you guys would be claiming the same if it was some dude that caused $40k of damage to "washingtonians against gun violence" in the name of gun rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Well creating your own little militant sect and trying to do battle with your own government has always been frowned upon, and dealt with accordingly. But destroying a young man's life because he burned some cars is fucking psychotic. He destroyed his own life. You're ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 The sentencing in this case is completely disproportionate. I don't care if it's eco-terror or plain old arson, torching some SUVs doesn't warrant 22 years in the clink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Fat_Teddy said: "I am a Jackass." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 He fucked up, it's his fault. As for classifying him as a terrorist, here's a definition: One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. Hmmm.... I'm fine with classifying ecoterrorists as terrorists. As long as the next anti-abortion protester or white supremacist or other right wind fruit job gets charged as a terrorist. Yeah he made his own choice. But like the Boy who burned the Bush's boat randomly throwing the book at someone isn't justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Or you don't have freinds to pardon you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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