ctuller Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Please don't buy Smoot's book, that thing is garbage. Doh! Well yeah it's crap, but it did get me to the crags. I will dutifully burn it when I get home.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 ctuller said: I will dutifully burn it when I get home.... TWO WITNESSES PLEASE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctuller Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 My good buddy Dan - will be here to watch Better yet I'll film it and stream it out to the web to be replayed ad nauseam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 ctuller said: Please don't buy Smoot's book, that thing is garbage. Doh! Well yeah it's crap, but it did get me to the crags. I will dutifully burn it when I get home.... Sex. Choc. never could write Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 ctuller said: Please don't buy Smoot's book, that thing is garbage. Doh! Well yeah it's crap, but it did get me to the crags. I will dutifully burn it when I get home.... The book simply is too general, is all. It reminds me of the story of the architect and the engineer. The engineer learns more and more facts about fewer and fewer specialties, whereas the architect learns fewer and fewer facts about more subjects. Eventually the engineer knows everything about nothing and the architect knows nothing about everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Catbird - Read back to some old threads. You will see that most complaints about the book have little to do with its being too general. But it IS a whole 'nother topic that we don't necessarily have to dive into again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctuller Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 So in 1989 my folks gave me a copy of his first ed. book, to entice me to move out here. I guess it worked tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Probably the 80s! Did you find it as painful as I said it was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceclimer Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Dustin_B said: iceclimer said: Where can we get this new book and how much does it cost? Some of us haven't lived/climbed here all of our lives and need a little help catching up. Thanks!!!! I have lived here less then 2 years and have been climbing less than that, so pick a new excuse. (anyway refer to my post above) Hey now... I have been to Leavenworth several times and I love it! If you have ever tried to find Static Point per Smoots book, you'd know he's full of crap and inaccurate. It's always good to have a nice reference to go by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 If you have ever tried to find Static Point per Smoots book, you'd know he's full of crap and inaccurate. Really? I have found his information to be pretty reliable, and even though I already know the approach to Static, his information doesnt seem to be wrong to me. I guess I'm a little defensive because I know how much effort it takes to put a book out, and there are always inacurracies no matter how hard you try. Jeff tried to cover alot of ground with that guide and succeeded as well as anyone could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 I 've always liked both the photos, and the drawings in the Smoot books. I also like the little mini pargraph about each route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 I like how he blatantly plagiarizes other authors and then criticizes them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinx Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Dru said: I like how he blatantly plagiarizes other authors and then criticizes them. I like how Dru has something useless to say about everything. And I like how he overuses . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jja Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 catbirdseat said: We did Canary on Sat. AM CBS, did you lead the first pitch? if you did I was the guy you shared the anchor with on saber ledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Sphinx said: Dru said: I like how he blatantly plagiarizes other authors and then criticizes them. I like how Dru has something useless to say about everything. And I like how he uses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 blahblahblahfreshiezblah unimogthis snafflethat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 iain said: blahblahblahfreshiezblah unimogthis snafflethat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 erik change my title back I'm sick of explaining the "mt hood gives me wood" thing to people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norsky Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Anyone done ROTC? Looks wide...is it? I lost my old book and I've never been up to Midnight Rock. That's about all I want to still do in Levy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 iain said: erik change my title back I'm sick of explaining the "mt hood gives me wood" thing to people well i guess you were sited up in the real mtns recently.....and aunt tina has gone back to her home in barbados...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 ah yes, the real mountains. thank you heir moderator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 iain said: ah yes, the real mountains. thank you heir moderator. hey if we are changing titles I'm gettin kinda bored of real world lost vegas... how about "goat" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Norsky said: Anyone done ROTC? Looks wide...is it? I lost my old book and I've never been up to Midnight Rock. That's about all I want to still do in Levy. The crux is hiking up there. Never mind the crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 ROTC starts out at just under an inch then gets progressively wider into hands then suddenly turns into a large slot that you can squeeze into. If I remember correctly nothing larger than 2" is needed until here. Maybe a larger piece or two in the slot but at the top of the slot is perfect handcrack that takes #2.5 (#3?) friends. You probably want to bring a couple for this section. I havent been on the route for at least ten years so my memory could be off in the details. PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrosaurus Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 Norsky said: Anyone done ROTC? Looks wide...is it? I lost my old book and I've never been up to Midnight Rock. That's about all I want to still do in Levy. Closed for raptor nesting until later in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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