Fairweather Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0315/news-dawdy.php Many of you lefties are real familiar with this guy. I hope this common criminal understands the can of whoop-ass he'll bring down on his "movement" with this idea. Quote
iain Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 He has definitely been involved with the ELF here in Oregon, he was interviewed on Frontline at one point. He best hope his phone number remains unlisted. Quote
Distel32 Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 yeah, this guy is just a little too out there for me. Starting violence against the government isn't going to help at all. Quote
JayB Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 I love guys like this. No better tactic than violence to completely alienate the general public, discredit your cause, and permanently marginalize your movement. Case in Point: Timothy McVay and the Militia movement. Quote
iain Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 j_b said: why does he get this kind of pub? his dashing good looks and charming personality? Quote
specialed Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 political violence works real good, its really helped the palestinians and the israelis settle their disputes. Quote
iain Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 what you want people to sit around like a bunch of pansies and talk out their problems? (actually I just wanted to respond to the 8 most recent topics) Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 JayB said: I love guys like this. No better tactic than violence to completely alienate the general public, discredit your cause, and permanently marginalize your movement. Case in Point: Timothy McVay and the Militia movement. Ah, yes, the gleaming double-standard: for a government that feels it is not making headway through peaceful channels, war (i.e. violence) is a perfectly acceptable alternative. War is hell, sure, and we don't want to do it, but it's for a good cause. However, if you've got beef with the government, best to just sit quietly and hope the police don't break any bones when they come in swinging their batons to send you home from your peaceful protest. You right-wingers oughta be proud of such a hardcore leftist for having the balls to suggest that violence might just be the answer. You happily shit-talk the peaceniks for not having the "courage" to actually do something, you bitch about them "whining" and tying up traffic. Well, now some of them are ready to go after it on your terms, with your cherished tactics. Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you? Bad boys, bad boys ... Quote
allthumbs Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 He wouldn't last 1/2 hour in Hooterville. Quote
E-rock Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 Skimming this article was kind of hilarious. This kind of half-logic is suck. "...by itself, nonviolent protest in America has never worked to change government policy, not during the civil rights movement and not during the Vietnam War" Fuck, it could be the other way around and violent protest wouldn't have worked without the nonviolent protest. His "experiment" has no control. He has two potential causes and one effect so he picks the cause that HE thinks did the job.... i.e. violence. He may very well be right, but he's only convincing stupid people that he is. Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 That's a good point there, but Rosebraugh is a longtime activist, and spent years going about it the peaceful way. Obviously he's given both sides of the issue due consideration. Quote
mattp Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 Actually Fairweather, I bet that if by "you lefties" you mean those who have debated the merits of the war, or who have argued for gun control, or whatever, I bet few of us are very familiar with this guy and very few of us would agree with his game plan. Quote
Off_White Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 Yup, what mattp said. Though in the funny small world we live in, I bet I'm only two degrees of separation away from him, since my wife goes to Art School in Portland with a guy who I think might be a house mate with this guy. I don't think violent revolution is a viable path to change in this country. It didn't work for the Black Panthers, and I sure wouldn't want this country to resemble Algeria, either in the time period he references or the current era. Quote
allthumbs Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 He'll get fragged one of these days by some "good old boys". Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 Trask, you are fat and old. No more from you unless you are called upon, and even then, please keep it brief, and free of your usual sophomoric outpourings of obscenity and crass remarks. Thanks, fella! Quote
Fairweather Posted April 11, 2003 Author Posted April 11, 2003 mattp said: Actually Fairweather, I bet that if by "you lefties" you mean those who have debated the merits of the war, or who have argued for gun control, or whatever, I bet few of us are very familiar with this guy and very few of us would agree with his game plan. Mattp The "you lefties" comment was directed at a few individuals that post here on CC.com who have expressed solidarity (to one degree or another) with ELF, either directly, or with the expressed desire to "do some monkeywrenchin'" when a public/environmental issue was not falling their way. I never tried to connect these folks with the anti-war crowd. You are making that assumption. DFA, You are right to a certain degree. Part of me hopes this Rosebrough guy lives up to his threats of (more) violence. That may be what it takes to demonstrate the bankruptcy of his ideals, and might be what is required to bring about a well-earned public (and police) backlash. Hence, the "bring it on" title of this post. Quote
vegetablebelay Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 This from the one guy who amongst all the lefty posts here, seems to think this guy is somehow valid..... Quote
klenke Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 Craig Rosebraugh is a hypocrite. He uses the very means he despises about what our government is doing in terms of foreign policy as a method to make his point. I always discount idiots like this. It's like people who drive gas guzzler SUVs and then complain about corporations polluting the environment. Or people who are vegetarians because of their stance on cruelty to living animals but would not hesitate to buy a car with leather seats. Martin Luther King and Muhatma Gandhi had it right. Rosebraugh is just a man hoping for martyrdom. If you're that far to the left, you might as well leave the country and go live in Iran, Iraq, the West Bank or wherever else pleases your convictions about the American government. Maybe France or some other highly liberal country. He'll soon realize it's the same old crap everywhere he goes. And, upon his old age (if he ever gets there), he will come to realize that the problem lies within himself not without. He's also selfish, but I won't even begin to go there. Quote
allthumbs Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 Dr_Flash_Amazing said: Trask, you are fat and old. No more from you unless you are called upon, and even then, please keep it brief, and free of your usual sophomoric outpourings of obscenity and crass remarks. Thanks, fella! FDA, I'm spending the weekend with some friends on the boat, two of which were recent Seattle Seahawk cheerleaders. Hope you have a fun weekend too Quote
fleblebleb Posted April 12, 2003 Posted April 12, 2003 Hmm. They happen to be Seahawks cheerleaders any time after I was born? Quote
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