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sauna beer, sauna cheese, sauna sausage, etc. By the way the author to this thread mentioned a weird pronunciation to the beautiful perfect world of sauna. Well guess what, that is the proper pronunciation. Sauna time rules. I fucking love saunas. Sauna cook outs, drink outs, sauna pass outs, sauna swims,YES Dwayner, Sauna time is the greatest time in a Finnish lads life. Sisu Suomi

Hey, hey Dru its smoldering sometimes. It could be used as a hand warmer by a climber of the opposite sex. Hell, with the right hand technique she could keep it smoldering for quit some time.

Bad things have happened at the hands of big business and will continue.I was taught by my professors to report data from experiments, observations etc. as they are or were. It was also stressed to NEVER lie about research or observations. I have always hoped(I know this is not the case though with a lot of big business scientists)that both sides followed good lab technique and were truthful. I was naive when I hoped that the 60's opened the eyes of all new youngsters coming of age in the 70's and 80's. I really thought that all the "enlightenment" would make a difference to big business and we would become a great country that put the Mother Earth 1st thru research and alternative methods to do things. I am not going to give up motorized transportation, natural gas heat, etc etc. I know we have the capabilities to do much more in regard to modern living and protecting the environment, but we don't. Big business always tells us it will cost the consumer 1000s. It will cost but I doubt thousands. If we continue on our path of self destruction we will kill ourselves via the pollution that we purge into the air, water, soil and space daily. Awwww I quit. Point is two wrongs don't make a right and I really hate it when the side I was depending on to be helpful turns out to be a lieing bunch of scientists that will hurt my access to areas by lies.

Caveman, are you an asshole? If so then you are in good company. I know a lot of ass holes and I know a lot of people that think my friends and I are ass holes, but most ass holes like us. And as far as the others go they can go fuck themselves.

Ya and Mr.Beers is probably some fucking wimp hiding behind his "I am a fed and I am god" name tag.On a climb in Alaska a few years back I bumped into a FED that was in charge of Federal Fish and Wildlife Commerical Fishing Division. His big nut buster was: he was only 28 years old and HE was going to write POLICY from Anchorage on the ways and means of blue water fishing. I should of shoved him off the fucking climb, but I was young and dumb so I just left the fuck where he was and went to another water falls to cimb.I hate feds. I hate feds. I hate feds. I hate feds. I hate feds. I hate feds. I hate feds. I hate feds. I hate feds. I hate feds. Now I feel better. [ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: sisu suomi ]

My John Thomas.

Wick is not lucky, he is a survivor number one. Secondly he has made it a life long study to search out "the why did this happen to my friend", so it does not repeat itself with me or others. Simpson, is not dangerous to others, but to himself. It seems that his friends are always OK but taking care of him and his battered, bent body.

I came across this little article. could be used to limit access to any and all groups. Rare lynx hairs found in forests exposed as hoaxhttp://washingtontimes.com/national/20011217-7117603.htmBy Audrey HudsonTHE WASHINGTON TIMESDecember 17, 2001 Federal and state wildlife biologists planted false evidence of arare cat species in two national forests, officials told The WashingtonTimes. Had the deception not been discovered, the government likely wouldhave banned many forms of recreation and use of natural resources in theGifford Pinchot National Forest and Wenatchee National Forest inWashington state. The previously unreported Forest Service investigation found thatthe science of the habitat study had been skewed by seven governmentofficials: three Forest Service employees, two U.S. Fish and WildlifeService officials and twoemployees of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. The officials planted three separate samples of Canadian lynx hairon rubbing posts used to identify existence of the creatures in the twonational forests. DNA testing of two of the samples matched that of a lynx livinginside an animal preserve. The third DNA sample matched that of anescaped pet lynx being held in a federal office until its ownerretrieved it, federal officials said. After the falsified samples were exposed by a Forest Servicecolleague, the employees said they were not trying to manipulate orexpand the lynx habitat, but instead were testing the lab's ability toidentify the cat species through DNAanalysis, said Joel Holtrop, a Forest Service official. "Even if that is the case, it was inappropriate," Mr. Holtrop said. Forestry officials, conservationists and retired federal officialssaid they were outraged that the data were tampered with and said theyare skeptical it was an attempt to test the lab. "I would find the evil-twin argument more plausible," said RobGordon, executive director of the National Wilderness Institute. "That would be like bank robbers taking money from a bank andsaying they were just testing the security of a bank, they weren'treally stealing the money. That's beautiful, but I don't think it willfly," Mr. Gordon said. Retired Fish and Wildlife Service biologist James M. Beers calledthe false sampling amazing but not surprising. "I'm convinced that there is a lot of that going on for so-calledhigher purposes," Mr. Beers said. The employees have been counseled for their actions and banned fromparticipating in the three-year survey of the lynx, listed as athreatened animal under the Endangered Species Act. Federal officialswould not name the offendingemployees, citing privacy concerns. The lynx listing and habitat study began in 1999 during the Clintonadministration and concludes this year. It was criticized by Westernersas a political move to impose restrictions on public lands. Radical environmental groups felt the restrictions didn't go farenough. To protect the habitat of the felines, roads would have to beclosed to vehicles, and off-road vehicles, snowmobiles, skis andsnowshoes would have been banned. Livestock grazing and tree thinningalso would have been banned. "It was rigged from the word go; it was full of bad biology and badpolitics," Mr. Beers said. "It gave them [the federal government] carteblanche to go after ski resorts, stop road building and go afterranchers and tree cutters." When the Vail Ski Resort announced an expansion of trails intopossible lynx habitat, the radical animal-rights group Earth LiberationFront (ELF) torched five buildings and four ski lifts in protest. TheOct. 18, 1998, fire caused $12million in damage and was the largest act of eco-terrorism in the UnitedStates. No arrests were made, and the statute of limitations expired inOctober. This past summer, ELF planted spikes in hundreds of trees tosabotage a timber sale and protect the lynx and spotted owls in theGifford Pinchot National Forest — one of the forests where the falsesamples were planted. This isn't the first time forestry officials have encounteredquestionable studies to identify the presence of lynx in the Northwest. In 1999, a scientist hired by the federal government submitted lynxhair samples supposedly found in the Oregon Cascades, farther south thanwhere the animals were thought to exist, said Chris West, spokesman forthe American ForestResource Council. Federal officials spent thousands of hours and tens of thousands ofdollars trying to duplicate the finding but found no evidence of thecreatures. The hairs were never validated, the samples were thrown out, andthe contractor was never paid, Mr. West said. "These are cases of rogue biologists trying to influencenatural-resources policy," Mr. West said. "There has clearly been some shenanigans going on here," he said ofthe false sampling in Washington. Forest Service officials say this year's errant sampling was caughtand therefore did not affect the integrity of the sample survey. "We have looked at it carefully and feel the overall integrity ofthe sampling effort is in place, and the ongoing results will have validscientific and sound results," said Heidi Valetkevitch, Forest Servicespokeswoman. However, the incident has damaged the integrity of the federalagencies within their own ranks and in the communities they serve. "It destroys the credibility of the hard work we are trying to doto track these animals," said one retired Forest Service employee. Mr. Gordon said the false sampling aggravates an alreadydistrustful relationship between Westerners and the federal government. "This revelation makes all the projects these offices andindividuals were involved in suspect, and may merit review," Mr. Gordonsaid. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work inthis message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment tothose who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this informationfor non-profit research andeducational purposes only. [Ref.]http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml]

Some of the local high schools that were built early in the century and some that were built in the last 15 years have good stone & brick work. The only problem being security. Its tightat some schools since 9/11 as some individuals has found it fit to threaten these schools.

Yah, AlpineK, in the 70's I knew this dude(who shall remain nameless)that could cut the rap webbing off some of the climbs with his Colt Python. I just love gun packin' climbers, espically if they pack a good knock down piece. The RR bolts are part of Index's past history. Big rail roading and big timber being hauled out of the NW. If anyone does not like the RR look go climb somewhere else.

come on be happy for the people who sold out. they can go climbing with out looking for work(owners). I wish I was them.

Keep these tradgies coming. I can use all these as excuses the next time I get a "honey do" list

God Dam, wdietsch, the Yoopers will love to see ya ice climbing freaks. When I was a youth in da UP I was looked upon as a fucking misfit of society. First mistake was showing this weird interest in the local rocks and dangling off of them and then trying to use my grandfather's geology tool for a ice axe. And the final straw was getting interested on catching trout and releasing the big ones cause I figuered they worked hard to get that big why should I kill 'em, so I killed the little ones and ate them. Have fun in the UP. They serve lots of "greesey" food. Eat at The Dogpatch in Munsing, when in Marquette eat at Togo's, Szchuan,Sweet Water Cafe( all these are on Third St in Marquette) and if you like Italian that offers a great fillet go to the Villa Capri on US 41 still in Marquette.Stay away from Negaunee and Ishpeming. I grew up in and around these towns and they are nothing but trouble. Drunk out of work miners, laborers, lumber jacks just itching for a fight with out of towners. I learned my street fighting ways in these two towns. the cops in Negaunee don't know what a Miranda act is either. Out of towner, hell you resisted arrest and were hurting a local.Marquette is a nice town but dead after 7PM unless you to the bars...lots of young college girls that will love to see the bashed knuckles of a REAL ice climber. Have fun and bash the ice.Nearly forgot a few things: The National Ski Hall of Fame is located in Ishpeming on US 41. Lots of history there about skiing and the mountain division from WWII.Secondly, Negaunee has a man made luge run that is used for the US Olympic Training Centre. I have heard that if one has the desire and the $ you can do it from the 1/2 way point. And last but not at all least you can go down hill skiing at Marquette Mountain(haha), XC skiing(either on your own or on trails)OR go watch or do ski jumping in Ishpeming. I believe the three jumps I remember as a youth are still there.anyway hve fun sisu [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: sisu suomi ] [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: sisu suomi ]

What do you mean I'm as old as Fred? Hell, he's just a youth. Fuck man, I'm just better preserved from drinking Alaskan Everclear and smoking my flesh in Matanuska Thunder Fuck. What is this shit about a 100 lb pig? I am not carrying a 100 lb pig, I'll take a weiner pig(pot bellied). That way we can eat it and smoke it. [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: sisu suomi ]

Hey, rat is right. Cody is good. I have good friends there. Stay at Bunk House Willy's if you go. Kenny and his son Leif are good guys that will share tons of beta with you.

I AM, THEREFORE I AM

Although it may have been the beginning of the end for him and his girlfriend. She wasn't too happy about having the wall in the apartment... You know some people just don't understand. For instance besides having a climbing wall in the house it would be nice to have ONLY the nylon light weight aluminum lawn furniture. That way when you move it folds up nice and small, does not cost a fortune, you don't spend a ton on moving expences, PLUS it serves a duel purpose. My wife and daughter shot that idea to hell and gone. They looked at me like I was a fuckin' cave dweller.By the way, that wall Caveman is talking about...its fucking nicer than any gym I've been to. [ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: sisu suomi ]

better not fart up my car Cavey, or we'll need to stop for air freshner

I hate Krakauer's writing style, I might like the guy if I met him.Outside mag is for whinny fucks.Ice climbing areas in the lower 48 and lower canada have all been mentioned. For you with $$$$$$$$ like the guy that suggested flying rather than driving. South Central Alaska is a ice climbers paradise. Hunter Creek, Eklutna, Eagle River and Caribou Creek are in and climbable plus if you can line up snow machines go to the Gorge(could be done without sno-go, but with short days the sno-go makes a short day doable) near the Knik Glacier, or Valdez. the first three are all within 20 to 60 minutes from Anchorage. [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: sisu suomi ] [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: sisu suomi ] [ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: sisu suomi ]

dave parker's suggestion is a good one. you could also try to contact the ice farm in Wisconsin. This guy is leasing land to farm ice on there. has drawn up contracts and such with the owners. they(the owners) could be contacted to get their statement.

benman, hope you know about weapons. there have been cases where the bros have shot off their wanker packin' a piece like that

christ, give it a break. Spray is good. Spray is fun. Spray is release of tension. Spray is everything that anyone wants to make it. Even serious if you have a diddle fuck mind

hey rat, are one of the original asarats? there used to be a limited number of 'em and as years go by they will be endangered

Well Terry I can agree to everything you said about Larry. I was his one of his store managers in the 11th Ave store right across from REI. He was a VERY different gentleman. Not only did he make a mark in mountaineering he was also quite the engineer. He and Ray Colter were part of the group that were in White Sands,NM doing reseach. Glass made he and Ray very weathy. Before that glass had a greater flow rate and was no very reliable in strength. Their research changed the way we see the world. I am saddened by his passing.