Scott_J

Hey Vege-belay, I am going on a two week road trip but when I get back I'll try to remember the swine thing(its bad when you get old...I suffer from CRS). Anyway I'd like to look about and around for a pig with big tusks. Maybe we can get together. Maybe with some of the other gun carrying members of Cascade Climbers.com, eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs kill pigs

Boner, I have been in on three climbing accidents of which only one was my climbing partner, but in every case I automatically switched into a calm "got to take charge" mode as I was the only one that seemed to be looking and thinking about what to do. Two of the cases were life threatening and the one involving my climbing partner was not. The former two involved helicopter rescue. Besides climbing I've been the first responder in serveral car accidents. Two of the first responder car accidents were taking care of myself...stopping bleeding, checking out the limbs for breaks, looking for objects that were sticking in my body, etc.It seemed that the bystanders did not want to get involved so I just took care of myself until the medical people arrived. But the first thing to remind yourself of is ths: STAY CALM, CALM DOWN THE VICTIM(S), ASSURE THEM AND THEIR PARTNERS THAT ALL IS GOING TO BE WELL, ASk FOR ASSISSTANCE FROM MORE QUALIFIED IF THEY ARE PRESENT. And after is all said and done...take some time for yourself because you are going to crash after its all over if its a bad one.

Other than that dribble by the VEGE BELAY does anyone really want to kill pigs(I'm talking swine here nothing else, so we don't get another weird thread). This could turn into fun resulting in meat, tusks and some real fun...rifle, hand guns, bow and arrows I'm not picky how I get fresh meat. I did hear from an old friend of mind that boar is not as tasty as sow. But I am not a swine expert so...

Here is something I'd be interested in. Check this out from the state wildlife dept. I guess the state does not have a season on these babies and would like to see them shot before too much damage results form their rooting around. http://www.wa.gov/wdfw/do/jun01/jun2201a.htm

Great letter. I'm originally a Yooper. Huntin' and fishin'were my very first adventures as a youngster. I've owned guns, bows and arrows as long as I've owned skiis. The proper use of all of the above was valued in our house. As far as the antis go I just ignore the bastards. I know I can get meat and survive with or with out a gun if I had to. Ted Nugent is a very experienced outdoors person that can walk the talk. A very rare item these days. Thanks for the thread Trask! Eat beef, moose,elk,deer,etc 10,000 coyotes can't be wrong! [ 02-25-2002: Message edited by: sisu suomi ]

What a pile of shit Matt B. I don't agree with the Boner very much but on this issue I have to agree with him about 85%(not 100% that would be bad). The part where I disagree is where Matt B tells us his gear is 8 or 10 years old! And he has the balls to return the items and actually think he needs a replacement! Give me a fucking break, fix the shit yourself you lazy fucking ass hole. That is what I have done for years and many of my friends have done also. As for you payaso you are in the same boat if you still practice using and returning stuff that is OLD and WORN. Retail is not rental. Every retail business has to meet a bottom line and if customers AND employees take advantage of that by abusing the system then that business can't function at a level to provide the best possible services for their customers. Now if what you bought is defective then return it, but after 8 years I doubt its defective. I stopped in at REI in Utah in 96 on a road trip to get a bike rack. I was installing it in their parking lot. While doing so an employee came out to see if I was having any trouble. While there he looked at my Yakama box and told me to take it off and bring it in for a replacement as it was defective. This blew me away because as far as I knew it was OK. I asked him if he was sure. He looked at some production numbers and said, "Yep, take it off and I'll get you a new box." No need to rip off the system when it functions like that.

RUMOR MILL OR FACT?????We "the climbing community" have a problem here. The state has been looking at impact in the Frenchman Coulee area for a while now; the recent rise in climbing popularity(last 10 years, the move of concert goers to party at the Coulees...lighting fires, shooting off fire works etc. This has an impact on the environment and the wildlife in the area. The cost of enforcement does not go down after hunting or fishing season ends because of the year round use by climbers. The simple solution for Fish and Wildlife would be closure. I'm a biologist and I could write a hell of a case for the state for closure of the Coulees. Who ever this is that took the hangers and caused more attention to be brought to this area brings more reasons to close the area. We, "the thief and the rest of the climbing community", have to be aware of our actions. We could end up with no area to climb in. Its too bad that the person(s) that did this did not think about the reaction, and then again maybe they did. Maybe this is what they wanted, attention. "Look at me look how important I am I caused all this!" Who knows? All I know is this: this is a multi-use recreation area and we whould be sensitive to this. If the bolts bother you go to a strictly trad area and mind you own business, but don't impact hundreds of people now or for the future generations of climbers [ 02-18-2002: Message edited by: sisu suomi ]

Yes, Cap. if you ever fucking listen to my back in the fucking 70's stories I have slides of the U notch. chickened out on the V notch when a car sized rock came screaming down the route and hit the glacier below. we did some other routes in the area. bring the beeer and your bubbling personality over. my Rott and Pit will enjoy your company

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thanks I needed a laugh today

DEATH STALKS CRAB FISHERMEN IN THE BERING SEA Hey go to the commercial fishing sites and check out the death rate of this fishery. It makes climbing look like a cake walk.

Just got back from a trip. Ice is nice, avalanche conditions were high when we were there. Temperatures were low so the 90cm that fell was unconsolidated. Climbed Pretty Nuts, and TR'ed a bunch in Haffner Creek. There were 4 people there doing some hard dry tooling routes here, also. Two young men from Jasper and a sushi cook from Banff with his partner. We stayed at the Lake Louise Hostel. Absolutely great place to stay. Close to the skiing and ice climbing. You get a discount if you are a member of the Alpine Club of Canada or an AAC member. I had to cut my trip off short do to a family emergency, but I will be back. This was my first visit since 1979 and I really enjoyed myself.

Falling...yiks! That word is heard echoing through-out the Icicle Canyon during th Mountaineers outing more than I care to hear. But enough with that. I've actualy fallen more on bolts than on trad gear. Go figure? I don't know who put in the bolt and I trust that person more than I trust me. Huh!? Maybe a flaw in my character. But I do know this, I sew up cracks with gear when I am nervous about the next series of moves and I don't worry as much as I do on a bolted route about the fall cause I know it will be short. I always worry about the distance of the fall and not the fall itself, so trad is usually a short fall where as on a bolted route you are at the mercy of the bolt placer.

Bitch and complain all you want. But if it had not been for snow boarding American ski resorts would have not been able to expand they way they have in the past 10 years. Snow boarding put new blood in the resorts. PLUS, snow board technology has been used to make skis better. Personally I ski...my son tells me I should learn to board as it would be easier on "old" knees, and i might yet. Tied it last year for a couple of runs. It was OK. I guess I need to spend a couple of weeks on a board and then it would be better. And I will do it some time just not right now. But for all you boarders out there...just go on and have a goooood time.

What the fuck is wrong with you guys. Hexs stillhave their place in the climbing world. Hell Henry Barber thinks cams are cheating so he still uses hexes and stoppers. Big hexes are cheap and work in big cracks. Great for lam basting ass holes in the head with.

Its snowing hard at Stevens. I skiied all day and hope that a sub job does not come in tonight as I will be back tomorrow. Go ski all you out of work or day off types its better than looking at this CRT and hitting the keys. sisu

Lets see, back in the...awww fuck! Got the stuff...Salawa ice hammer(red one),first generation Coonyard ice wall hammer,second generation, as well as the climax ice wall tool, the bamboo piolet, SMC rigid crampons, a stove collection that goes back into the 50's, tube Salawa ice screws, as well as a Salawa screw that I use for a wine bottle opener, a bunch of pieces of stuff from the start of Cassin route on Big Mac. All Italian vintage stuff...who knows what that is all about, but it was fun to stash it and pick it up on the way back down. By the way I did not do the route or even attempt it. GOT fucking spooked by the biggest ice avalanche I have ever seen in the Valley of Death, so I put tail between legs and ran as fast as my legs would go. He who runs away gets to climb another day. [ 01-19-2002: Message edited by: sisu suomi ]

Hey clingon go piss up your rope and suck on the wet end. If that person wants to be nice they can be nice. The rest of us can be what ever we want to be mother fucker.

Lamboner its comments like that climbing at the Rambles shit that makes me stay the fuck away from VWorld and all the fucking ass holes like you. Steve House once said that each person has their own level of excitement and he was not there to judge, but to enjoy that person's level of excitement when he listened to their story of their adventure.

What do you mean best Charlie I think Cap'n'cave is a top notch mate even if he is a fuck

Yes, Thanks Andy. Now for all you other people out there. Come on join the Access Fund. It takes a big membership to show government officals that the organization has votes. They don't like negative votes at election time. We should also volunteer for at least one trail building activity a year. Ya, I know some of you say "I am off only 2 fucking days a week and I am not going to work on my day off"...Well, just do it once. Lots of volunteer action is impressive. I've been on a few of these trail building activities and they are fun. The biggest ones have been in Lander, WY and the smallest have been in Washington. We have a huge number of climbers in this state and we sure could use some more members in the AF. PLUS think of this. A lot of climbers and back country people hate snow machines, dirt bikes, 4X4s etc. Well, if we (and by we I mean all the previously mentioned hated groups) don't stick together and maintain status quo in our said areas of use the ANTIs of all use of land for recreation will slowly push us all out of our areas. At times the enemy of our enemy is our enemy and we must stand together or die.

This is an old and true cliche: There are old ice climbers, but there are no old bold ice climbers. Yes, I have had my share of exciting times on ice and I too like Captain Caveman am very aware of the risks. A sharp eye, a keen sense of awarness and above all follow your feelings. I have backed off of things that I have done a week before and again I have lead things that partners have felt too risky, but then I have had this happen to me also. Ice is nice and shall suffice, but heed its fickledness.

Well, this is an very emotional thread. Yes, the mountaineers have produced some very good climbers and some really poor climbers that shold take up golf. I took a very good wilderness first aid class back in the 70's that did its final in West Seattle at a park there. There were Mountaineers in that class and I was stunned by their brain washing of the dogma they were introduced to. Over the years seeing groups like this evolve into mass production of wilderness programing shows me that the masses are not in tune with the distruction of our environment. They only care about today and not the future and what it holds for the next generation. Do I hate you personally because you are a Mountaineer? If you are like the person I met in Bridge Creek Camp Ground that had plenty of space for two and would not share. Yes, then I do hate you because you are a fucking selfish C.U.N.T.(can't understand normal thinking). You and your organization need to be taught lessons on how to treat the environment and the other humans there at the moment besides the basic climbing classes. If you get treated rudely it is because of those before you. You new Mountaineers should take a look at the organization and try to change it. Enough I'm going for a run with my dog.

Seattle "FUCKIN" Mountaineers. I hate those fuckin bastards. One they go out in huge groups to teach climbing occupy camping sites and parking not to mention a few good climbing areas. Last year a bud of mine was down from Alaska we were in Icicle looking for a camp site. They had a few tents here and there with plenty of space to share a site. Did the fuckers offer to share NO!!! Not one fucking offer. Mountain routes(and this was in the 70's to)are over run with their class climbs and regular outings. Do they practice low impact? Do they care? Are they a problem? I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!I hate the Seattle Mountaineers!

Captain its DWA