Zenolith

i have 6 of them. they've never been used and i never will since they're too heavy to carry into the mtns and i'm too wussy to aid climb. i bought them in a package deal with other stuff. all #6, painted black, say "italy" and "lost arrow" on them. i'd sell them all for $30 shipped or trade them for a couple Ti pins or a screw (no, not that kind) or some tele bindings.

chili or voile because i have hardwires that fit them both.

Does anyone have more current info on ice at Banks? Seems like it might be in w/ all the cold we've had recently...

its how you tell a 3 year old to paralellstem christieparalellstem christie...

wow, you saw beckey on hood?!!

Bug, That kind of stupid shit goes way beyond spray. Grow the fuck up.

I have the following from meeting minutes; "NEWS FROM THE PLENARY SESSION OF THE UIAA SAFETY COMMISSION INNSBRUCK, AUSTRIA, JUNE 2001" "New work has again confirmed that ropes should not be marked (middle) with any kind of felt pens. The ropes will be damaged." The following is from the Alpine Club of Canada Gazette regarding UIAA safety commission's testing on ropes. 1) Gasoline, diesel fuel, camp gas, sea water, coca cola, and strong vinegar do not damage ropes. Urine dropped the number of falls held in the standard test drops by 50%. 2) An American product specifically sold for marking the middle of ropes reduces the strength of the rope (only at the point of marking however and only when this point is loaded over the test edge) by as much as 50%. I had forgotten the last part which really makes it unlikely that this would cause a real-world problem.

russ, My axe is actually a flash and weighs 18oz -next to nothing IMO.

A few more points: 1) As Winter eluded to, public lands are owned by the public and are an extremely important part of their ecosystems, bioregions and the ecosphere in general. Placing a sign demanding money between the true owner (you) and the caretaker (Forest Circus) makes people feel less interested and less empowered in regards to public lands. People generally feel more responsibility toward something that they own than to something that they pay to experience. 2) The way most of the USFS roads are built is by trading them for free logs. The roads are then often either closed to the public, decommisioned or obliterated for the price of...more free logs! As erik mentioned the timber co.s get these logs at way below market value and we pay them hansomely for the construction of the roads. If they screw up a stream or cause other structural problems we pay to fix that too! These roads we buy don't (usually) lead to anywhere we want to go and they are often closed to us anyway so why should this use of our public lands be paid for by taxes and (our) trees when recreation, which costs nothing in comparison, is paid for (twice) by us? 3) Lastly, the fee demo is being implemented jointly by the USFS and the American Recreation Coalition. There are a lot of clubs, companies and organizations represented in the ARC and the majority of them require infrastructure in order to do their activities (boat ramps, wide trails, multi-colored, labeled photos of the view you're looking at, etc.) that are contrary to the wilderness experience that most of us seek. There are NO climbers, backpackers or other wilderness experience seekers represented in the coalition that is helping the USFS to charge you to walk a trail. At Mt St Helens, for instance, a climber will pay $20 for one day while a carload of snowmobilers with their machines will pay $5. I'm with erik; you will NEVER catch me paying a fee for a wilderness experience.

UIAA recomends the thread thing that tex mentioned. I've done it and it works very well. UIAA says that they've done confirmed tests that show the marker method (even the marker made for that purpose) weakens the rope by as much as %50.

another vote for ecrin roc

re: simond. I dig their stuff. i have simond scorpion crampons and really like them. re: axe. i have a 60 cm cassin dragonfly (got it for $50 from climb max in ptld) it is about the same weight as the air tech -maybe a tiny bit heavier. has a nice sliding ring leash and swings well enough due to the steel head. I hate the spike on the air tech.

compare: Edelweiss Laser9.6X60m dry for $190falls=6 kN=8.2 Lanex Viper9.7X60m dry for $90falls+6 daN+750 Lanex ropes are sold by acmeclimbing.com, the people who brought you rock empire. Lanex ropes are european and only CE certified. Who has an opinion? Don't come back with stupid quips like, "What's your life worth, man?" Give me real pros and cons with actual information to back it up. Your opinion is welcome as long as it isn't stupid. [ 03-12-2002: Message edited by: Zenolith ]

once you can get to devil's lake you can climb from there without having to walk at all except to cross the highway. the slopes are mellow enough that you can ski to the summit from the TH. its not even a full day.

i tried to link them in but angelfire won't allow it. grrrrr.

If you go to this page you can see two photos of Yocum (at the bottom) that were emailed to me. http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/zenolith/Some_Trip_Photos.html [ 03-05-2002: Message edited by: Zenolith ]

DO NOT teach something you love (unless its sex) to someone you're married or otherwise permanently hitched to. If you teach her to climb, BC ski, etc, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO TAKE THEM WITH YOU!! This WILL become a hateful idea at some point (even if you are in love). This is the best peice of advice I have for a climber, mountaineer...

yeah, see it gives him an excuse to build up the military, and arm postal workers, and run commercials that say, "if you smoke in the muir hut you are killing police officers and assasinating people's fathers" _no kidding_ they really have been doing that recently!

tex, are you bitter about being in texas? maybe you can find some of that good blow that georgie down there has. you better git back here. we have a date with JPG.

looky down there, that little rat wants something to hump!

what do condoms and bolts have in common? they both protect a bunch of pricks. just made that up -don't get your spandex in a bunch tex- i don't really mean it.

as i recall some fellah (what's his name?) skied it to check on that couple that fett to theor deaths a couple summers ago... in fact, someone has skied the n face couloir too!

if you have good photos of yocum email them to me and i'll post them(and credit you, of course) -i'd like to have some anyway (or email them to jon or tim -i think they'd like to have some). Pictures have to be on the web somewhere in order to link them here. i have never heard of paradise park -although i have no doubt that there is such a place.

was it just the wind that made it bad or was there something else?