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Here is a link to data from many sources. The last graph may be the most telling and it is a compilation of other data from the same web page. The web page is maintained by Dr. Greg Bothun. His credentials speak for themselves. These data are a bit confusing if you don't know what you're looking at and/or if you don't check the units. http://zebu.uoregon.edu/2002/es399/l3.html If you look at the graph called "Global Stratopheric T anomalies" you'll see why looking back at the T record for too short a time is inadequate. Looking at the graph "Historical...Vostok Ice Core" you'll see a mass of red at T=0. Look especially at "Global Atmospheric Methane...". This will be a bigger problem in the future. Methane is 25X more absorbtive of radiation than CO2. You'll notice that two of the major food sources for the 6 billion planeteers (rice in the east and beef in the west) are the greatest causes for the rise in atmospheric methane. In my opinion fossil fuels use is a giant problem but methane may be a bigger one soon.

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don't forget that tex is from, well, texas. this proves that he is in cahoots with GW. tex is being held in my garage at this time. for a small amount of gu i will release his location.

I've misplaced this thread to get it coverage... It is going to be sunny on Shasta this weekend if anyone wants to go down and ski the Hotlum/Wintun route. I once got 7000' of descent in August on that route. Me and tex are going, anyone else? Eugeniuses? sk? jk? bellemont?

What happens if you don't get one? I'm planning to spend 1-2 nights up there and don't think I can get one on short notice. Are there any tricks to avoiding being caught?

This is not a troll for a debate. Just thought people who are interested in glaciers might find this interesting. Giant glacier falls into ocean near New Zealand Friday, May 10, 2002 By Chris Baltimore, Reuters WASHINGTON ? A huge ice shelf 10 times bigger than Manhattan has plummeted into the sea near New Zealand, U.S. government scientists said Thursday, adding urgency to warnings that global temperatures are rising for the worse. The news follows the March collapse of the Larsen B ice shelf in Antarctica in the Weddell Sea near Chile ? which was the size of a small European country. The collapse on the Ross ice shelf in the Ross Sea near the Pacific Ocean and New Zealand is about 41 nautical miles long and 4 nautical miles wide. It was spotted by the National Ice Center in Suitland, Md., which analyzed infrared photos taken May 5 by a military satellite. The collapse likely occurred over the last two weeks, a spokesman for the center said. The Ice Center gathers data for the U.S. Department of Defense, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and U.S. Coast Guard. The collapse is a result of so-called calving, as constant motion by polar ice caps fractures the ice into sometimes-large fragments that float loose into the sea. Green groups pointed to the ice shelf collapses as evidence that emissions of greenhouse gases are causing global temperatures to rise and the polar ice caps to melt. For meteorological reasons, glaciers are one of the first indicators of rising planetary temperatures, said Kalee Kreider, a global warming expert at the National Environmental Trust. "They're a canary in the coal mine for the global warming trend," Kreider said. Carbon emissions from power plants and factories have been linked to global warming, which scientists warn could lead to massive flooding and rising ocean levels. The United States is the world's largest emitter of so-called greenhouse gases.

http://www.sca-inc.org/ jobs in mt rainier natl pk and n cascades here.

thurs might work for me. i'd go to the columns if its dry. someone please email me if it is on fer shur tho since I seem to be too bored to come read this crap lately. krowell@gladstone.uoregon.edu

my garuda definitely breathes very well. i have used it for up to 4 days at a time and had some frost on the inside but no more than in a bibler. i like it a lot i just don't use it much.

so the 5.5mm spectra cord is a mean joke on climbers? what do you sling hexes with?

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i have a garuda (dana designs) kaja that i'll sell your for $300 or so. it is brabd new and totally sealed but i don't use it enough to justify keeping it.

i have some old rigid stem friends that all need new slings. i'd send them off to be reslung but they're old (late 80s) and i wonder if its worth it since i could just get some new tech friends or something and spend all this money i got. i've heard that you can use spectra for reslinging. I wonder if you could put half of the double fish on each side of the hole to keep the knot out of the way.

Wallflower seed on the sand and stoneMay the four winds blow you safely home.-GD Now you see this one-eyed midgetShouting the word "NOW"And you say, "For what reason?"And he says, "How?" And you say, "What does this mean?"And he screams back, "You're a cowGive me some milkOr else go home"-bob dylan

oh, don't get me started. i sent my broken ski to atomic and they told me to do something dirty with it.

"Don't get me started" "One time at band camp..." -spraying climbers Knowledge without courage is sterile -Balthasar Gracian 1. Think of what is right and true.2. Practice and cultivate.3. Become aquainted with the arts.4. Know the principles of the crafts.5. Understand the harms and benefits.6. Learn to see accurately.7. Become aware of the non-obvious.8. Be careful even in small matters.9. Do not do anything useless. -Miyamoto Musashi from The Book of Five Rings The "Heavy Stone" paradox is an example of divine trundling. "Above a certain point, the higher another point appears to be, the lower it actually is." - Mark Twain "At this very moment you are directly above[long pause] the center of the earth!" Baba Rum Rasin saying what I think on a summit. Only the half mad are wholly alive. -who said that? Do, or do not... there is no try. -Yoda liek i said, don't get me started.

I AM AVATAR

hey prof, seems a lot of ancient cultures were intersted in cones. calling them "stamps" might limit understanding of the significant shape. the pyramids are roughly conical, so is a church spire, and what of the cone shaped pots that the egyptian bakers used (actually two cone pots joined base to base). and then there are "event (light) cones" and them cones the ancient greeks were so fascinated with. cones rule man. blight you, like dan larson, suck.

Dr. Larson, Thanks for that reply. It may not seem like it in all my posts, but I am definitly on your side. Mostly, my job entails fighting loggers and the USFS rather than climbers though so I feel a bit strange being maligned with a group that you seem to see as harmful to the environment. I wonder, since you said that climbing is a temporary enjoyment (or some such), if you really see this as a clear "climbing against ecosystem" problem? Are you saying that climbing on the Niagra escarpment is not sustainable or is it just that cli mbing has been practiced unsustainably there in the recent past? I know that your professional intersts lie in protecting cliff ecosystems (and thanks for admiting your bias), but do you think that climbers generally cannot be taught to value those as well? There is a dichotomy here; 1)There are not enough cliffs to support the number of climbers in the area. 2)The Niagra Escarpment ecosystem is being harmed by climbing and is an especially protection-worthy area. The question at issue is (if climbing and protection are mutually incompatible): Which is more valuable? You can argue that the ecosystem has been there longer and provides multiple benefits to humanity, etc, and I will agree enthusiastically. What every environmental problem comes down to though is that a) we don't think long-term enough for ecosystems and b) climbing (like logging) is an identity for a lot of climbers and they will fight for it the way a scientist would fight to see that science is not banned. Climbers, like verve, might feel like they can't live in Toronto and still be a climber. Another question; All cliffs are part of an ecosystem. Why is this one so valuable, or are you hoping to stop climbing one cliff at a time? The old trees are great but you pointed out that our macroscopic bias prevents us from seen the bigger picture and its micro subjects. I would bet that all cliffs have lichens, etc. Are they less important? That book of yours looks like a great resource but is a bit out of my price range ($70). Seems like you could help educate climbers if you gave them a discount . Is there a paperback coming out?

hmmm. that's lame.

good Idea! send that to a publisher!

good grief, a real woman wants to come ?! why sure you can join us!!

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The only good reason for a ban in certain areas is the unavoidable prospect of introducing non-natives. You can't even walk through an area without dropping seeds and spores, but the other parts of the HIPPO* accronym can be mostly mitigated. It would be very shocking to me if the climbing community at large did the kind of damage mentioned in the study(ies) after knowing the ecological uniqueness and sensitivity of the area. From what verve says that appears to be what is happening. Bummer. That would not happen where I live on the scale it appears to be happening over there. If the users won't listen to reason I can understand Dr Larson's hostility to us. Relative to the size of the climbing community I would guess that there is a shortage of climbable cliffs over there. (I will actually get the chance to visit that area in the next 2 years.) If I lived over there I would lobby for the creation of a bounded climbing area where measures are taken to limit erosion and other damage. For the other areas (sensitive and "pristine") I would ask for a voluntary climbing ban but set up a process by which potential users could petition the authorities for entry. Closing the area to all non-ecologists is asking for trouble. Looks like I've done an about-face dosen't it? Well, almost. Yep, I'm even going to buy that book on cliff ecology (even though it was written by canucks). *HIPPO lists the factors that cause the decline of ecosystem (or species) health. These factors are interrelated in myriad ways. H-habitat destruction I-invasives P-pollution P-population O-overharvesting

hey, i bash all science equally (especially canadian science). so, ask a psychology professor what they think of an IQ test anyway. as for me, pot will make me drop my ski pole in a deep creek and briefly consider a tyrolean off of rob's bumper to go get it and then decide to circumscise dick's ridge instead. wait [puff] that came out wrong.. heh heh.