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  1. Release kit is in great shape, has all hardware, works great Garuda is a new single wall 2 person NF tent is a Tadpole, round door, blue/green, good shape, small 2 person, very light krowell@gladstone.uoregon.edu
  2. Peter,The 700 estimate referred to was a PARTIAL estimate as is indicated in this AP articlewith yesterday's date; "The bombing hit all the cities and large swaths of countryside, and AP reporters visited many of these areas to gather data on civilian casualties. Their reporting and other reliable counts -- by no means complete -- in the months since then suggest a civilian death toll ranging from 500 to 600". The same article says that Herold lowered his estimate but it is still not as low as 700. Notably he is the ONLY one who has yet completed an estimate of casualties. His estimate was based on reports of casualties reported in the Western press. "In some cases, such dispatches became the basis for research. A University of New Hampshire economist, Marc Herold, in December cited news reports in arriving at a total of up to 5,000 civilian dead. He has since revised the figures downward to between 3,100 and 3,800". Other counts were significantly lower. The Cambridge, Mass.-based Project on Defence Alternatives, a private think tank that studies defence strategies, estimates the number to the end of December at 1,000 to 1,300. The study was based on selected western media and discounted any reports based on Taliban figures.
  3. MATT B wrote, "I have a problem but I want to face it. My name is Matt and I I need help. About 3 years ago I moved from Yosemite, got a job, got a girlfriend and got a kayak. Is there a cure for me" It appears that your face has been stolen. Two questions for you; Do you arrange your own schedule and is she hot? As far as the kayak goes; is spring boating takeas away from spring climbing, yes, you've got a problem. Kayaks are dangerous, you could drown.
  4. Mattp, I was referring to the damage to infrastructure, etc. I don't think that carpet bombing the country was necessary and to hear that people that were already in a bad way are being killed, maimed, cut off from hope, etc is narrowminded and shortsighted. This type of action represents the view expressed by someone in this thread to the effect of "...as long as they don't affect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness here in the USA". I don't believe in social Darwinism and I think that compassion is a capacity that separates human beings from other animals. The idea that the elite of the human race are somehow meant to rise to the top and stay there at the expense of the "suffering class", "working poor", "third world", etc. makes me sick. Yes, I am glad that I am not them, but I have dedicated much of my time, career objectives, money, etc. to solving the problems of the self-obsessed West. Sometimes people suggest (as an idiotic rhetorical tool) that people who voice similar views should sell their gear and give it to the poor or whatever. Climbing keeps me motivated, inspired, and healthy and I am operating on a personal system of ethics that allows me to be true to my beliefs AND remain happy. You don't really think that King George and co. decided to start an unofficial and brutal war under duress do you? Yes, their backs may have been against the wall but they are leaders and I think they would have been supported by a greater percentage of the public if they had ONLY bombed radio towers, airports and such and then mounted a counterinsurgency campaign or something else. I think most people know that the reason we fight from the air is that we don't have to see what we've done. I know this is unrealistic but if I could decide who should declare and fight wars I would have it put to a majority vote; if it looses, there's no war. If it wins, all those in favor, go fight and the rest work on building bombs, jets, homeland security, paying war taxes, etc. Such a system would hear, not "these colors don't bleed" but rather, "give peace a chance".
  5. Zenolith

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    Is BURP a woosie?
  6. Zenolith

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    Wow, there's a real BURP? And you've made 4 posts!
  7. Yes, I am proud of the Guest/Lurkers for coming out of the closet. If any of you are still reading this and not coming forward please don't be afraid. We are here for you. Just register and come here and say, "I have a problem but I want to face it. My name is X and I need help." You don't need to be clever or funny just come out with a troll and begin to feel the love. Why do you people need to log in and out? I'm always logged in.
  8. Mattp,You asked, "But just what the hell were we supposed to do?" Get Osama and his group (What is Saddam doing today?). My opinion rests on one thing; It is immoral to kill a lot of innocents in response to the killing of innocents. It is even worse to lie about it ("It never happened"). The killing of innocents MAY happen with any effective solution, but if so those deaths should be acknowledged as unintentional and appropriate remorse should be shown. "Politically, our government had to do something dramatic, both so that they could tell the voters that they had some control over the situation and so that we could say to the world that you can't just destroy the trade towers without some consequences". I don't think a government should act on rage or bloodlust. Such a reaction is as indicative of a "fundamentalist" worldview as the destruction of the towers. "[T]he killing has at least for now stopped". No, it hasn't. They may not be Americans dying, but they are humans.
  9. Fairweather, I don't think there is any "rightful" reason for the government to limit where the press can go or what they can report on in a free society, at least not one that is fighting for "freedoms" like freedom of the press. You are right, the story told in the press will always be crafted into a "product" that the public will buy. That is my point. The source for each of the examples in my post is listed above each example. Many of those examples (and others that I did not post) come from Western news sources including the NY Times, Washington Post, Agence France-Presse, The Gaurdian, etc. I realize you think these organizations are too liberal to believe but I can only say that calling them inaccurate b/c you think they are liberal (I don't think they are) is more than a little paranoid. NONE of those reports come from al-Jezeera (although, there again, you would have to show why (evidence) you think al-Jezeera is not trustworthy in order to make a respectable case for such an accusation).
  10. Yeah, I'm really pissed about this fee demo thing. Here's a website that has compiled all the legal stuff -transcripts, rulings, etc- pertaining to the fee demo: http://www.antifee.bizhosting.com/ If you get a lawyer, point them to that site; its a gold mine for someone who is going to argue against this. If you decide to defend yourself and want help doing research I'll volunteer. I'm not a lawyer; I dropped out of law school. Its a hateful profession.
  11. I misspoke there are two reasons more to be in the forest without a permit. "Health reasons or any other purpose other than a recreational activity." Theoretically then, you could argue that you were there to protest the fee demo itself. If being there to protest is your purpose for the visit, you are exempt. Check this out: http://www.freeourforests.org/COE.html
  12. There is a lawyer in Eugene that is taking these cases pro bono (although for activists I think). There is the fact that this is a "Fee Demo" project and that the USFS is telling congress that the compliance is proof of public acceptance. Kind of makes getting a summons look like extortion dosen't it? There are three reasons to be in the woods without a permit; 1)religious purposes [like the Native Americans at Shasta]. 2)Your job (paid or not) calls you there. 3)Education. Surely all three apply, but I think the burden of proof (although I don't know the standard) is on you. There is a nonprofit dedicated to fighting the Fee Demo and, more generally, the "Disenyification" of public lands. Here is their website: http://www.wildwilderness.org/ Good luck and keep us posted.
  13. I did not make it last time I went b/c of the ridge being plastered with rhime ice. Probably we should've explored the ridge a bit more tho. We descended the headwall from the ridge but did so under totally frozen conditions. On climber's right there is a big butress (Smith Rock or something?). We climbed a short section of WI next to the butress but I hear that you shouldn't go near that thing when its not frozen b/c of the rockfall. There is a big 'shrund across the headwall running from one butress over to a tower. If you have to cross that 'shrund near the rock you should think about the temps when you return. I think the Milk Creek return would be a lot faster than the way Loren went but a bit more technical too. Loren mentioned a rap station at the end of the rocky part of the ridge that would let you down onto the backside of the ridge which would be the fastest way down if reversing the route was not feasable. I agree with Loren, this route (and the mountain) are well worth the trip.
  14. Noone has yet mentioned that you should get an F if you think that this site is going to give you a "representative sample". Also, "unbiased" means, in part, that your respondants don't have a stake in the results of your survey. Clearly, some of the people on this site think you're a dork and would skew the results just to mess with you. But, if you're just trying to pass the course, you're doing fine.
  15. I agree that bin Laden and associates has to be caught (killed). I am not a pacifist. However, killing innocent people is not something a technologically advanced and supposedly moral society has to, or should, do. Yes, I have a bleeding heart, better than none. And to find out the truth I have to find uncensored news. You can't get that in the "land of the free". US reporters are not allowed in combat zones by this government. Not since reporting from battle zones in Vietnam changed the tide of public opinion have we had freedom of the press in war time. "Listen to the language of the Pentagon: "We cannot confirm thereport...civilian casualties are inevitable...we don't know if theywere our weapons...it was an accident...incorrect coordinates had beenentered...they are deliberately putting civilians in our bombingtargets...the village was a legitimate military target...it justdidn't happen...we regret any loss of civilian life." Listening to the repeated excuses given by Bush, Rumsfeld and others,one recalls Colin Powell's reply at the end of the Gulf War, whenquestioned about Iraqi casualties: "That is really not a matter I amterribly interested in." If, indeed, a strict definition of the word"deliberate" does not apply to the bombs dropped on the civilians ofAfghanistan, then we can offer, thinking back toPowell's statement, an alternate characterization: "a recklessdisregard for human life." The denials of the Pentagon are uttered confidently half a world awayin Washington. But there are on-the-spot press reports from thevillages, from hospitals where the wounded lie and from the Pakistanborder, where refugees have fled the bombs. A professor of economics at the University of NewHampshire, Marc Herold, has done a far more thorough survey of thepress than I have. He lists location, type of weapon used and sourcesof information. He finds the civilian death toll in Afghanistan up toDecember 10 exceeding 3,500 (he has since raised the figure to 4,000),a sad and startling parallel to the number of victims in the twintowers. [My freedom, as defined by this culture (Pepsi or Coke, Democrat or Republican, etc) is not worth the price being paid by others of my species. Think about]...the hopesand dreams of those who died, especially the children, for whom fortyor fifty years of mornings, love, friendship, sunsets and the sheerexhilaration of being alive were extinguished by monstrous machinessent over their land by men far away. My intention is not at all to diminish our compassion for the victimsof the terrorism of September 11, but to enlarge that compassion toinclude the victims of all terrorism, in any place, at any time,whether perpetrated by Middle East fanatics or American politicians. In that spirit, I present the following news items (only a fraction ofthose in my files), hoping that there is the patience to go throughthem, like the patience required to read the portraits of theSeptember 11 dead, like the patience required to read the 58,000 nameson the Vietnam Memorial: >From a hospital in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, reported in the BostonGlobe by John Donnelly on December 5: "In one bed lay Noor Mohammad, 10, who was a bundle of bandages. Helost his eyes and hands to the bomb that hit his house after Sundaydinner. Hospital director Guloja Shimwari shook his head at the boy'swounds. 'The United States must be thinking he is Osama,' Shimwarisaid. 'If he is not Osama, then whywould they do this?'" The report continued: "The hospital's morgue received 17 bodies last weekend, and officialshere estimate at least 89 civilians were killed in several villages.In the hospital yesterday, a bomb's damage could be chronicled in thelife of one family. A bomb had killed the father, Faisal Karim. In onebed was his wife, Mustafa Jama, who had severe head injuries....Around her, six of her children were in bandages.... One of them,Zahidullah, 8, lay in a coma." In the New York Times, Barry Bearak, reporting December 15 from thevillage of Madoo, Afghanistan, tells of the destruction of fifteenhouses and their occupants. "'In the night, as we slept, they droppedthe bombs on us,' said Paira Gul, a young man whose eyes were aflamewith bitterness. His sisters and their families had perished, hesaid.... The houses were small, the bombing precise. No structureescaped the thundering havoc. Fifteen houses, 15 ruins.... 'Most ofthe dead are children,' Tor Tul said." Another Times reporter, C.J. Chivers, writing from the village ofCharykari on December 12, reported "a terrifying and rolling barragethat the villagers believe was the payload of an American B-52.... Thevillagers say 30 people died.... One man, Muhibullah, 40, led the waythrough his yard and showed three unexploded cluster bombs he isafraid to touch. A fourth was not a dud. It landed near his porch. 'Myson was sitting there...the metal went inside him.' The boy, Zumarai,5, is in a hospital in Kunduz, with wounds to leg and abdomen. Hissister, Sharpari, 10, was killed. 'The United States killed mydaughter and injured my son,' Mr. Muhibullah said. 'Six of my cowswere destroyed and all of my wheat and rice was burned. I am veryangry. I miss my daughter.'" >From the Washington Post, October 24, from Peshawar, Pakistan, byPamela Constable: "Sardar, a taxi driver and father of 12, said hisfamily had spent night after night listening to the bombing in theircommunity south of Kabul. One night during the first week, he said, abomb aimed at a nearby radio station struck a house, killing all fivemembers of the family living there. 'There was no sign of a homeleft,' he said. 'We just collected the pieces of bodies and buriedthem.'" Reporter Catherine Philp of the Times of London, reporting October 25from Quetta, Pakistan: "It was not long after 7 pm on Sunday when thebombs began to fall over the outskirts of Torai village.... Rushingoutside, Mauroof saw amassive fireball. Morning brought an end to the bombing and...aneighbor arrived to tell him that some 20 villagers had been killed inthe blasts, among them ten of his relatives. 'I saw the body of one ofmy brothers-in-law being pulled from the debris,' Mauroof said. 'Thelower part of his body had been blown away. Some of the other bodieswere unrecognizable. There were heads missing and arms blown off....'The roll call of the dead read like an invitation list to a familywedding: his mother-in-law, two sisters-in-law, three brothers-in-law,and four of his sister's five young children, two girls and two boys,all under the age of eight." Human Rights Watch report, October 26: "Twenty-five-year-oldSamiullah...rushed home to rescue his family.... he found the bodiesof his twenty-year-old wife and three of his children: Mohibullah,aged six; Harifullah, aged three; and Bibi Aysha, aged one.... Alsokilled were his two brothers, Nasiullah, aged eight, and Ghaziullah,aged six, as well as two of his sisters, aged fourteen and eleven." >From Reuters, October 28, Sayed Salahuddin reporting from Kabul: "AU.S. bomb flattened a flimsy mud-brick home in Kabul Sunday, blowingapart seven children as they ate breakfast with their father.... Sobsracked the body of a middle-aged man as he cradled the head of hisbaby, its dust-covered body dressed only in a blue diaper, lyingbeside the bodies of three other children, their colorful clotheslayered with debris from their shattered homes." Washington Post Foreign Service, November 2, from Quetta, Pakistan, byRajiv Chandrasekaran: "The thunder of the first explosions joltedNasir Ahmed awake.... he grabbed his 14-year-old niece and scurriedinto a communal courtyard. From there, he said, they watched ascivilians who survived the bombing run, including his niece and awoman holding her 5-year-old son, were gunned down by a slow-moving,propeller-driven aircraft circling overheard. When the gunshipdeparted an hour later, at least 25 people in the village--allcivilians--were dead, according to accounts of the incident providedtoday by Ahmed, two other witnesses, and several relatives of peoplein the village. "The Pentagon confirmed that the village was hit...but officials saidthey believe the aircraft struck a legitimate military target....Asked about civilian casualties, the official said, 'We don't know.We're not on the ground.' "Shaida, 14.... 'Americans are not good.... They killed my mother.They killed my father. I don't understand why.'" A Newsday report on November 24 from Kabul, by James Rupert: "In thesprawling, mud-brick slum of Qala-ye-Khatir, most men were kneeling inthe mosques at morning prayer on November 6 when a quarter-ton ofsteel and high explosives hurtled from the sky into the home of GulAhmed, a carpet weaver. The American bomb detonated, killing Ahmed,his five daughters, one of his wives, and a son. Next door, itdemolished the home of Sahib Dad and killed two of his children.... "Ross Chamberlain, the coordinator for U.N. mine-clearing operationsin much of Afghanistan.... 'There's really no such thing as aprecision bombing.... We are finding more cases of errant targetingthan accurate targeting, more misses than hits.'" The New York Times, November 22, from Ghaleh Shafer, Afghanistan:"10-year-old Mohebolah Seraj went out to collect wood for his family,and thought he had happened upon a food packet. He picked it up andlost three fingers in an explosion. Doctors say he will probably losehis whole hand.... his mother, Sardar Seraj...said that she cried andtold the doctors not to cut off her son's whole hand... "The hospital where her son is being cared for is a grim place,lacking power and basic sanitation. In one room lay Muhammad Ayoub, a20-year-old who was in the house when the cluster bomb initiallylanded. He lost a leg and his eyesight, and his face was severelydisfigured. He moaned in agony.... Hospital officials said that a16-year-old had been decapitated." A New York Times report on December 3 from Jalalabad, Afghanistan, byTim Weiner: "The commanders, who are pro-American...say that fournearby villages were struck this weekend, leaving 80 or more peopledead and others wounded.... The villages are near Tora Bora, themountain camp where Mr. bin Laden is presumed to be hiding. A Pentagonspokesman said Saturday that the bombing of civilians near Tora Bora'never happened.' "Eight men guarding the building [a district office building]...werekilled, [mujahedeen commander] Hajji Zaman said. He gave the names ofthe dead as Zia ul-Hassan, 16; Wilayat Khan, 17; Abdul Wadi, 20; Jany,22; Abdul Wahid, 30; Hajji Wazir, 35; Hajji Nasser, also 35; and AwliaGul, 37.... Ali Shah, 26, of Landa Khel, said, 'There is no one inthis village who is part of Al Qaeda.' "Witnesses said that at least 50 and as many as 200 villagers had beenkilled. "'We are poor people,' [Muhammad] Tahir said. 'Our trees are our onlyshelter from the cold and wind. The trees have been bombed. Ourwaterfall, our only source of water--they bombed it. Where is thehumanity?'" The Independent, December 4: "The village where nothing happened....The cemetery on the hill contains 40 freshly dug graves, unmarked andidentical. And the village of Kama Ado has ceased to exist.... And allthis is very strange because, on Saturday morning--when American B-52sunloaded dozens of bombs that killed 115 men, women andchildren--nothing happened.... We know this because the U.S.Department of Defence told us so.... 'It just didn't happen.'" The New York Times, December 12, David Rohde, writing from Ghazni,Afghanistan: "Each ward of the Ghazni Hospital features a newcalamity. In the first, two 14-year-old boys had lost parts of theirhands when they picked up land mines. 'I was playing with a toy and itexploded' said one of them, Muhammad Allah.... a woman named Rose layon a bed in the corner of the room, grunting with each breath. Herwaiflike children slept nearby, whimpering periodically. Early onSunday morning, shrapnel from an American bomb tore through thewoman's abdomen, broke her 4-year-old son's leg and ripped into her6-year-old daughter's head, doctors here said. A second 6-year-oldgirl in the room was paralyzed from the waist down. X-rays showed howa tiny shard of metal had neatly severed her spinal cord." Reported in the Chicago Tribune, December 28, by Paul Salopek, fromMadoo, Afghanistan: "'American soldiers came after the bombing andasked if any Al Qaeda had lived here,' said villager Paira Gul. 'Isthat an Al Qaeda?' Gul asked, pointing to a child's severed foot hehad excavated minutes earlier from a smashed house. 'Tell me' he said,his voice choking with fury, 'is that what an Al Qaeda looks like?'" Reuters, December 31, from Qalaye Niazi, Afghanistan: "Janat Gul said24 members of his family were killed in the pre-dawn U.S. bombing raidon Qalaye Niazi, and described himself as the sole survivor.... In theU.S. Major Pete Mitchell--a spokesman for U.S. Central Command--said:'We are aware of the incident and we are currently investigating.'" Yes, these reports appeared, but scattered through the months ofbombing and on the inside pages, or buried in larger stories andaccompanied by solemn government denials. With no access toalternative information, it is not surprising that a majority ofAmericans have approved of what they have been led to think is a "waron terrorism." Recall that Americans at first supported the war in Vietnam. But oncethe statistics of the dead became visible human beings--once they sawnot only the body bags of young GIs piling up by the tens of thousandsbut also the images of the napalmed children, the burning huts, themassacred families at My Lai--shock and indignation fueled a nationalmovement to end the war. I do believe that if people could see the consequences of the bombingcampaign as vividly as we were all confronted with the horrifyingphotos in the wake of September 11, if they saw on television nightafter night the blinded and maimed children, the weeping parents ofAfghanistan, they might ask: Is this the way to combat terrorism?"-Howard Zinn in "The Nation" If this is what America stands for, don't call me one.
  16. It is funny. Someone did that a minute after I posted that.
  17. At any given time there are about half as many guests online as registered users. Are you people scared of becoming a named user? Don't you feel guilty for using all our blather for your entertainment and not giving anything back? You should.
  18. Hey Xee, Git outa here an choose a name with no Zs in it. That is my letter of the alphabet an you didn't ask.
  19. [Read this post aloud in a whiny voice.] Hey guys, there's never been a pub clup in Portland or Eugene for that matter. Looky here, we all live in the Cascades too right? Cmon guys, fair is fair right? Come down to Eugene an we can climb at the Columns downtown an have beers with real hippies at the Pearl Street Brewery.
  20. Originally posted by AlpineK:"Dan are you still steamed about that PM CJZ sent to you?" Post it for us.
  21. Zenolith

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    BURP: Mon français est beaucoup plus mauvais mais votre anglais suce et votre nom aussi. Finalement, je pisse sur vous d'une grande hauteur! ZENOLITH avoir parle. (Oh, todd, you dreadlocked expert in the langue of love, help me. How do I conjugate "avoir" when refering to myself in the third person?)
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    So this site dosn't support ruske! Let's try Norske. Todd,You tror at De er stor fordi De kan kan bruke et par ord av Fransk. De er en tosk. Akkurat fordi en bruk som en datamaskin ikke betyr at de er en dårlig climber. De må må tenke på et bedre prosjekt enn av laging små budskap i Fransk å å imponere oss virkelig. Få et liv.
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  24. "Be sure to clip them independently." Why is that? B/c they have diff stretch?
  25. I need to make a choice. I have one 9.8X60 dry that I use for everything. Most of my climbing is alpine snow and ice. I am getting into steeper and more mixed alpine stuff and want to do more water ice. My old 8.5 glacier rope is being retired so I was thinking of getting an 8-9 mm X60 dry for using on WI and on alpine climbs where two ropes are needed. I thought I'd get a 30m glacier rope for ski mtneering and volcanos. So, does anyone have thoughts on coupling an 8.5X60 with a 9.8X60? Is that a bad idea? I'm asking b/c I can't really afford a pair of ice ropes right now.
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