sobo

Say "hi" to DoxManDude for me. Hardly. I would posit that with a regular partner/mentor, one might find the learning experience much more fun, enjoyable, and rewarding. It was for me, as I learned everything from mentors, including trad, big wall, and ice (learned alpine the hard way, all by meself, cuz me mentor got killed). 'course, all this was almost 25 years ago, before the explosion of the sport and related schools of instruction. YMMV

Crystalis Nacht. (Kristallnacht) edited by sobo Vaht evva happent mit ze final solution?

Along the lines of something like this: Heil!

It is. And I would know...

well, yeah, there's that, too.

What would a do?

Yah, all their weapons are brand new, never fired, and have only been dropped once.

white people Or like me, they forego the spending of fortunes in an effort to make Xerox copies of themselves, and just adopt beautiful little yellow snowflakes...

But that's what makes Peshashtin so damned much fun. The uncertainty of whether or not you're coming home in a body bag!

I'm with ZONK and markwebster on this one. I love Peshastin. It's not near as bad as every one makes it out to be. I've taken some pretty good whippers there, too. Landed on my belayer while going for the first clip on Slender Thread. It's like a 20-footer. Yikes! And I've been thrashed more than once by the squeeze on the first pitch of Lightning Crack. Ouch! And all the run-outs on Martian Slab, Austrian Slab, and the climbs to the right of WF of GCT (some serious pebble-pinchin') are what keep me coming back. For run-outs, it just doesn't get any better than Peshastin, except for Lightning Dome over in Idaho...

Aaaaaaaaaaaahhh, Couloir... very nice avatar. Again. Looks like it could be Olga's tummy, there...

Woo Hoo!!!1 Way to go, Mel! Just think, if you get a second one, you can name him Control! Is it just me, or does Agent 99 look like she's feeling herself up?

I would also leave a trail of bread crumbs along the way... ....and 10 essentials. Beer comes in 10 packs now? It does if I'm the grocery boy packing your purchases... :brew:

Is that Red Green?

Why don't you just say that it was posted from Wayne Wallace's site, the "Epics" page?

I think we're replowing old ground here, folks. There's been numerous threads on this board under this topic. Use the Search function, select All Forums, input "falls whippers", In Subject only, newer than 7 years, get a scotch, sit back, and enjoy.

REMF = Rear Echelon Mother Fucker???

well, I'm sure that's a large part of it anyway...

Well said. So where are all of the moderate Muslims who need to stand up even at great cost and take back their faith from the radical extremists? Oh, that's right. They're worried about having their throats slashed or their heads cut off. The Rise of the Third Reich all over again.

Ba-dum ching!

At 44kN MBS, that thing is burly! I agree with SP, it would find limited usage in mountain rescue situations.

trendsetter...

Remember, if that doesn't work out for ya, REI has a great return policy... Whoa! I almost missed this jewel! Thank you! Thanks a lot! You guys have been great! Remember, I'll be here all week!

FW: More discussion on this thread, too. And BTW, you should watch the film.

They are half to blame, yes. They created a demand for home ownership. A demand that they could not afford in their current financial postion but, in their entitlement mindset, wanted nonetheless. So people on the supply side dreamed up a loan package that would get the consumer what he wanted - in the short run. And of course the folks on the supply side were not about to do this without some financial reward to themselves. But any fool who couldn't read the details of their loan package and figure out that he was gonna get screwed when the rates went up after the stated period of time is an idiot. The word "sub-prime" should have been an immediate clue and cause for caution. And I wasn't responding to products derived from cows in particular, either. I was merely carrying on your cow analogy, and provided a specific example within a cow scenario. Yes. A demand is created; it's created by the consumer. Many times, a supplier provides something for which a demand must be created. But over time, the consumer demands refinements of the original product, to which the supplier/manufacturer must respond. So yes, eventually, it is driven by the consumer. If the supplier(s) does not respond, the demand eventually fades. Or the consumer will find a supplier that will respond to the consumer's desires and revise the product/service in accordance with the consumer's needs. Do you remember JFK fiscal policy and later, Reaganomics? The old supply-side economics thing? Let's take hula hoops for example. Have you seen many hula hoops in stores lately? If we give hula hoop manufacturers a tax credit/incentive and flood the market with hula hoops, do you think that will increase the demand for them? No, I don't think so. I think it is the consumer that must create the demand for goods and services in almost every case. Clearly, as applied to those desiring home ownership and exampled by the sub-prime mortgage mess, the answer to your question is an emphatic "No." I'm not quite sure I follow your question here. If I knew "what" otherwise? That consumers are not rational decision making beings? Or how am I somehow complicit in helping a consumer make a bad choice? Or I am somehow responsible for the ethics of large corporations? Please elaborate/clarify your question. I think so, yes. I do not support the bail-out of Bear Stearns, nor any other player in the sub-prime mess, any more than I supported any player in the Savings and Loan Bail-out 20 years ago. Nobody learned a damn thing from that mess back then, as evidenced by the situation today. It's just the same game being played out on a different ball field. And I don't think the Fed "rescued Wall Street" as much as they rescued Bear Stearns and ended up setting it up for Morgan Stanley to make a steal purchase. And I can't say I do either. What you read may well be true. But I will say that I am a believer in personal responsibility, and by extension, corporate responsibility. Bear Stearns made their own bed; they should lie in it.