layton

don't forget the GPS enabled H.U.D. onscreen goggles (i'm dead serious).

Bald eagle always $14

oh, the app cost $3-5 and the maps are free and you can import and export waypoints to/from other devices

I'd be interested to know as well. FYI, my driod x has an app called "backcountry navigator" that if you have cell reception, uses real-time online maps. If you aren't online and pre-plan you can download a map of the area in question, and the built in gps has it act like a regular "old fashioned" gps unit. The only drawback I see is fucking up a nice phone in the backcountry.

but we had each other!

I think Graham is talking about someone else. I didn't know her, but I'm sorry. Awful.

Another year successfully avoiding the thought police

fuck yeah! The white one with Thinsulate lining is my fav- I can climb to pretty cold temps with it. Honestly, if BD or someone made this glove, everyone would own a pair

Gloves are probably the single most expensive piece of ice climbing gear I can think of pound for pound. What do you guys like for leading WI in balmy vs cold, drytooling, and belaying. So far my fav is the BD Punisher for leading WI in most temps, and the Bald Eagle Mechanic glove for cheapest glove with the most warmth and dexterity ($14). I don't like the OR Alibi drytool glove as it constricts blood flow in my hand for the size the fits my fingers. I like the Marmot spring glove, but it's a bit slippery. Old favs were the Cloudveil Iceflow and the Marmot Alpinist 5 finger. I'd like the hear what cold condition glove people have found to provide the most dexterity.

That just plain sucks. Have you considered a lawsuit for the rest of the damages to pay for surgery? Put aside your good nature, respect for decency, and sue.

That must be the deal! Im glad someone else thought that jacket was to thin for winter

Its gotta be mismarked! Well sorry for the total waste of time

the goretex vs softshell opionion must be based off personal experience of severe downfalls of said material. you should really try the new proshell if you get a chance, it really makes up for the pitfalls that brought about the softshell revolution. The gamma mx jacket I saw was not powershield or anything close, it was a featherweight jacket..thus the amazement that this garment would the a coveted winter piece. REI must have put the wrong label on. If it's anything like the Mammot Champ jacket or older Gamma LT, then I'm sure it's quality. If however, this suposed Gamma MX jacket is what you guys are talking about, you must be nuts or brainwashed by hype -

Is the hooded.more burly than the non hooded..I only saw the hooded

Also on a side note, I've almost completely abandoned softshells in favor of the new goretex proshell material. I've owned softshells from Arctyrx since they hit the market in 1999 and love them (especialy powershield) for their ability to fit and move gracefully shed snow and regulate heat output. But once wet-and they do often-the benefit is lost. The new goretex seems to make up for the reason softshells were invented (lack of breathability) and is a safer bet since it will keep you dry

Maybe they seriously changed it bc I.can't imagine how a light windbreaker Could offer any warmth...so that leaves conductive heat loss and snow shedding As. Its main feature and I can think of hundreds of jackets just as high quality that stretch stop wind and shed snow.. So my question still remains: what does this jacket do that's so special compared to other coats?

Always heard rave reviews, never really actually held one. I was at REI last night and saw them for ~$350. Anyway, it seemed like an Addidas track jacket. I couldn't believe how light it was, and would never use something like that as my shell in harsh conditions...and I know it's not designed for harsh conditions, but what's the point of such an expensive piece of technical gear if you could get away with a cheap $40 bike jersey if it's not cold or wet? WTF? How can a track jacket cost that much. I know Arctyrx is expensive, but I really couldn't believe it with this piece! ...so for those of you who own one - is it magical or something?

bring as many people as possible to hype the endevor

bump!

Anyone used topo software for the Droid (x)? So far it looks like "Backcountry Navigator" and "Topo Maps" are the best two. Any previous experience would be great! Thanks, Mike

now add a shoulder length sling instead of the draw. i really don't care, just agreeing about the practicality on hard pitches. I also haven't used them so i really don't know.

agree

http://www.mountainproject.com/v/northern_utah__idaho/explosive_device_found_in_maple_canyon/106898683 wow

the harem comes with

Had to look that one up! I'd like to stay in SLC for quite some time, but I'm looking for practices for sale. SLC, Boulder, and Mammoth Lakes are top of the list, but I'd be willing to sacrifice a little location to be able and practice more. Also, any ideas on good places in Cali on the west side? Sacramento seems like too much of a sacrifice, but I've heard San Diego is awesome regardless that it's not too close to all the best climbing. Any choice Cali towns? I know very little about that state.