AlpineK

Chirp I suggest you spend the weekend figuring out the difference between a logger and an arborist. In reality my job involves a lot of tree preservation. Now here's a question for you; let's say your maried with a 5 year old child and you own a house. Outside your kids bed room is a big leaf maple with 70% decay in the stem. What are you going to do? Or a less extreme example: You've just spent $300,000 on a house with several large trees rubbing into the roof and siding. There is no way to prune the tree away from the house without wrecking the tree. What are you going to do?

Sorry the deal's only for Dr Don. Now if he does accept the 5.13 challenge and fails I think it's only fair for D to perform 7 demeaning tasks that CPB comes up with.

Chirp you are the one who is the idiot. If it wasn't for folks in the past who were willing to cut trees at climbing areas there would be next to no climbing in Western Washington. It's a jungle around here, and if you don't keep stuff cut back you wont have any climbing.

People were cutting down trees at Index to improve climbing long before the terms sport climber or gym climber were even thought of. Pull your head out of your ass.

Dwayner, My remarks are based on a Pub Club conversation and endless posts by you on the board. The fact is you just like to listen to yourself pontificate. I think you've spent too many years talking down to students. In the real world of climbing you walk to the base of a bolted face climb and climb it or not. You may evaluate the route by these factors: 1. Sketch ie. bolts are really run out 2. AntiSketch ie. way too many bolts. climb condor butt for an example 3. Bolts are at natural and appropriate points in the climb 4. Bolts are in stupid unthought out spots 5. Bolts next to cracks Of these examples only #2 and #4 are truely poor form by the FA party. #5 can be bad, but then again go climb a route like Gorilla My Dreams and ask yourself if you would be willing to fork out the dough for 7 #5 camalots in order to climb it in pure form. #1 is alright if ya got the guts and #3 is just peachy! Now none of the evaluations has anything to do with whether or not the bolts were placed on lead or rap. I've climbed bottom up routes where the FA party had their heads up their ass when it came to bolt placement and I've climbed top down routes where the same could be said. I'm happy to see bolts pulled like on DDD because of tradition of the crag and since the route was a squeeze job, and I would have been happy to pull bolts on the route you, pope and I looked at. However for the most part I don't have a problem with bolted face climbs. Face it Dwayner if you were a politician you would be like Linden LaRouche. A voice, but one of an extreme minority. On another note I think we should solicit donations for a prize package that Dwayner will win when he climbs the 5.13 sport route of his choice in the PNW I'll gladly plunk down $100 cause Dwayner will never get it.

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Somebody ripped my stick, That guy must be a prick, If I ever find him he's gonna be fucked.... -The Surf Punks

Back at a Pub Club in Tacoma I remember a discussion MattP, Dwayner and I had regarding bolts. Now I'm pretty much a trad climber, but when I listen to Dwayner talk about bolts it's very obvious he is totally unwilling to even think about other points of view regarding bolting. My advice to more reasonable folks out there is to ignore both Dwayner and Pope. They are both dinosaurs and they will turn to oil soon. And Dwayner if you really want to do something for the environment vote against GW next election.

Seattle

My parents are pretty understanding, but some of my other relitives aren't. After a couple questions about climbing from an aunt last year she told me, "your crazy," to which I replied, "totally nuts!" She seemed happy with that.

I wouldn't go cause your gf is trying to lay some guilt trip on you, but I would go.

Yes they did say that however: Now maybe they were asleep in their tent, or maybe they were getting ready to go to sleep and started talking to drunk Canadian teens. I really don't know. One thing I do know is that it's human nature to make exaggerations; especially when it makes you look more innocent. I have no idea whatsoever what happened. I do know that in a perfect world you shouldn't have your stuff burned and your friends threatened no matter what you say.

I'm interested in what these American folks said. They say they were just getting ready for bed, but maybe they thought they would have a debate with some slack jawed jokels over Canada Day vs 4th of July. I submit that trying to have a logical debate with drunk, slack jawed jokels is a bad idea no matter what country the jokels come from.

I've been in Canada a ton. Other than that: England, France, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Portugal, Poland, Hungary, Thailand, Nepal, Tibet.

To compensate for a few million small dicks, huh Fairweather. BTW I'm an American Citizen and I think J G has the right to comment on life in America; I also agree with him when he calls you a xenophobe Fairweather

Ya know FS me and 009 had a good time laughing at your tough guy attitude today at work. We can't wait to see you fight 30 drunk Canadians.

I'm running on the size of the American waist line, which is getting bigger and bigger. Maybe instead of using these soy beans to feed pigs to produce McLard burgers we should turn the stuff into fuel. Hmm... Or then again maybe we should increase the government spending on programs that pay farmers not to farm.

I don't care where it comes from. If it's cheaper that's great. The US produces way more food than we need.

I think America's pretty good. I've spent a lot of time in Canada and that seems pretty good too. I've spent a little time in England, France, and Italy and they seem pretty nice too. Most folks I met in those countries seem fairly happy and the food in Italy and France s I've heard that the Scandinavian countries are pretty cool too. Basically I'm saying there are a lot of great places to live. I'll probably stay here though since I grew up here and my family lives here. Truth is I'm mostly loyal to the PNW the rest of the US can go fuck itself.

That's a hard statement to disprove.

Bullshit Catshit. The EPA says production of biodiesel uses 25% of the total energy of biodiesel. Before you forget, it takes quite a bit of energy to transport and crack petoleum.

jjd I encourage you to take handguns to Canada every time you go.

Chicken Little, Boy Who Cries Wolf, whatever. Lets hear some first hand accounts. I used to camp at Psych ledge back in the old days when there was no organized campground, but there were tons of drunk Squish teens. I never got hastled. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I would like to hear something that wasn't a third or fourth had account.

Dwayner, your are an old stick in the mud. I demand you stop commenting on any form of art or climbing that has happened since the late 70's.

They get Spam and Corned Beef Hash straight from the US