AlpineK

Bullshit, I'm way too cheap to rap and leave gear. Better to tough it out or climb out of it. Rapping off jam knots s

I'm interested but intimidated by the fucked up traffic on I-5 N-bound in the early evening.

I've been in both Floyds and Ozzies. Ozzies is more smokey. Floyds might be ok, but parking on lower QA sucks even when there isn't a game. I'm more into Schultzys, but Floyds would be alright.

We chipped some holds for you ChucK

Yeah, well this one time, while cutting dead limbs out of a tree, I cut a squirrel's head off with a chainsaw. I noticed the bar on my chainsaw turn red, but I didn't think too much of it till the guys on the ground started pointing at it and me and laughing.

After Dru and I cut down the tree at the base of the Split Pillar, Cman and I decided to try a climb on the Apron despite the funky weather. Anywho we headed up to St Vitus. Things were looking real good. We cruised up to Baseline ledge quickly, and we met a couple locals climbing Vector at the ledge. A few rain drops started coming out of the sky but stopped fairly soon. I led the first pitch and belayed Cman up. Cman started out on the second pitch. While belaying him I gazed down Howe sound and saw big black clouds rolling down the mountains on the other side and the wind started picking up. I debated on whether or not to yell at Cman to hurry up, but I decided he really wouldn't go that much faster. Eventually he set up a belay and I started climbing. Those black clouds were really big and the wind was really blowing. About half way up the second pitch the rain set in. I climbed as fast as I could, but I the rock was getting wet fast. Apon reaching the belay I told Cman to hurry up and give me the rack. I headed up the third pitch with in a steady rain. I could get positive holds in the hand crack, but on the upper part of the pitch the crack ended in smooth wet slabs. I finally found a seam that was covered in moss but provided some holds that were more positive than a smooth slab. Cman came up and told me the hand crack was a watterfall. We ran into the locals climbing Vector there; after talking to them we all realized that we needed to climb higher to get to Broadway and the route off. Anyway we made it to Broadway and climbed up the streambed to the trees. There was one last bit of scrambling that under the conditions we were all unwilling to do, so the locals set up a rap on a tree, and we all slid down the rope to some more easier scrambling. The woods were a welcome relief and after more hiking we reached the parking lot. We changed into dry cloths, drank a beer and scanned the apron for other unlucky suckers. After a while we headed to the brewpub and met up with Dru, Snoboy and his gf. After a few beers and food we spent a fun evening looking for local youths to open up a can of wup-ass on. Another fine Squish adventure.

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That tree's going to make some nice toothpicks huh Trask!

RAT CITY

You pay the city .5 mill for the damages you cause. The city of Bellevue made some homeowner who topped a bunch of trees for his view pay a big fine and then do a bunch of community service.

Chirp I suggest you spend the weekend figuring out the difference between a logger and an arborist. In reality my job involves a lot of tree preservation. Now here's a question for you; let's say your maried with a 5 year old child and you own a house. Outside your kids bed room is a big leaf maple with 70% decay in the stem. What are you going to do? Or a less extreme example: You've just spent $300,000 on a house with several large trees rubbing into the roof and siding. There is no way to prune the tree away from the house without wrecking the tree. What are you going to do?

Sorry the deal's only for Dr Don. Now if he does accept the 5.13 challenge and fails I think it's only fair for D to perform 7 demeaning tasks that CPB comes up with.

Chirp you are the one who is the idiot. If it wasn't for folks in the past who were willing to cut trees at climbing areas there would be next to no climbing in Western Washington. It's a jungle around here, and if you don't keep stuff cut back you wont have any climbing.

People were cutting down trees at Index to improve climbing long before the terms sport climber or gym climber were even thought of. Pull your head out of your ass.

Dwayner, My remarks are based on a Pub Club conversation and endless posts by you on the board. The fact is you just like to listen to yourself pontificate. I think you've spent too many years talking down to students. In the real world of climbing you walk to the base of a bolted face climb and climb it or not. You may evaluate the route by these factors: 1. Sketch ie. bolts are really run out 2. AntiSketch ie. way too many bolts. climb condor butt for an example 3. Bolts are at natural and appropriate points in the climb 4. Bolts are in stupid unthought out spots 5. Bolts next to cracks Of these examples only #2 and #4 are truely poor form by the FA party. #5 can be bad, but then again go climb a route like Gorilla My Dreams and ask yourself if you would be willing to fork out the dough for 7 #5 camalots in order to climb it in pure form. #1 is alright if ya got the guts and #3 is just peachy! Now none of the evaluations has anything to do with whether or not the bolts were placed on lead or rap. I've climbed bottom up routes where the FA party had their heads up their ass when it came to bolt placement and I've climbed top down routes where the same could be said. I'm happy to see bolts pulled like on DDD because of tradition of the crag and since the route was a squeeze job, and I would have been happy to pull bolts on the route you, pope and I looked at. However for the most part I don't have a problem with bolted face climbs. Face it Dwayner if you were a politician you would be like Linden LaRouche. A voice, but one of an extreme minority. On another note I think we should solicit donations for a prize package that Dwayner will win when he climbs the 5.13 sport route of his choice in the PNW I'll gladly plunk down $100 cause Dwayner will never get it.

You don't say

Somebody ripped my stick, That guy must be a prick, If I ever find him he's gonna be fucked.... -The Surf Punks

Back at a Pub Club in Tacoma I remember a discussion MattP, Dwayner and I had regarding bolts. Now I'm pretty much a trad climber, but when I listen to Dwayner talk about bolts it's very obvious he is totally unwilling to even think about other points of view regarding bolting. My advice to more reasonable folks out there is to ignore both Dwayner and Pope. They are both dinosaurs and they will turn to oil soon. And Dwayner if you really want to do something for the environment vote against GW next election.

Seattle

My parents are pretty understanding, but some of my other relitives aren't. After a couple questions about climbing from an aunt last year she told me, "your crazy," to which I replied, "totally nuts!" She seemed happy with that.

I wouldn't go cause your gf is trying to lay some guilt trip on you, but I would go.

Yes they did say that however: Now maybe they were asleep in their tent, or maybe they were getting ready to go to sleep and started talking to drunk Canadian teens. I really don't know. One thing I do know is that it's human nature to make exaggerations; especially when it makes you look more innocent. I have no idea whatsoever what happened. I do know that in a perfect world you shouldn't have your stuff burned and your friends threatened no matter what you say.

I'm interested in what these American folks said. They say they were just getting ready for bed, but maybe they thought they would have a debate with some slack jawed jokels over Canada Day vs 4th of July. I submit that trying to have a logical debate with drunk, slack jawed jokels is a bad idea no matter what country the jokels come from.

I've been in Canada a ton. Other than that: England, France, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Portugal, Poland, Hungary, Thailand, Nepal, Tibet.

To compensate for a few million small dicks, huh Fairweather. BTW I'm an American Citizen and I think J G has the right to comment on life in America; I also agree with him when he calls you a xenophobe Fairweather