Doug

Would that be compelling (as in irrefutable) evidence or convincing (as in so long as the evidence supports your position its valid)evidence?

Ya know, that's the same opinion many in Seattle had of the majority of WTO Protestors a few years ago. Just looking for an outlet for angst and/or boredom, not really knowing what the fuck they were protesting or rioting about, other than against authority.

Lemme see....We were in Viet Nam to stop the spread of communism. We "lost" the war, Saigon fell, the country did become communist, and we are still a free society. Based on the outcome, that in spite of the fact that Vietnam became a communist country & the U.S.A. is stii a free country, I guess you'd have to say it was a good thing. Problem is that politics, not strategy seem to dictate war. Problem is that our politicians don't realize you can't save your ass and your face at the same time.

Must be the meds he's on

Hey, anyone gonna climb anything tomorrow? Hijaking my own thread.

Hmmm....who's military service did Clinton try to attack?.... You are right though, that list was full of Conservatives. Face it, most of those guys dem or gop did "avoid" military service,

So, we back to deciding which party's agenda will be best for the country? If so, which party represented by a poopiepants preppie has the better platform? I think the conservatives have proven in the last 3 years that they are a bunch of incompetent idiots who believe that god and guns rules overall.

But, Kerry was in Vietnam. He served his country. And, who knows if the stories trying to discredit his and others accounts of his actions while on duty are true or not? You've got about the same number of people supporting Kerry as you do trying to discredit him. Truth or fiction? Who decides? The central fact is HE WAS THERE. Shit, Bush's "service" in the National Guard can't even be verified!

It's easy to attack Moore on the way he tries to get his message across, but buried beneath the juvenile facade is this tidbit: The faction who is questioning the military record of the other facton's party has a candidate who has no appreciable military service. If the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth want assail Kerry because he had the veracity to come back from Vietnam and say that he did not support the U.S. being there, they have every right to do so. But, remember, Shrub, whom the SBVFT support, did his stint far from harms way in Alabama, allegedly. I guess that helped the U.S. cause in Vietnam more than John Kerry, didn't it? Thank goodness no one is making GWB's alcoholism an issue in this campaign. So, does the right wing really take this crap seriously?

As usual from Michael Moore, maybe a little over the top, but at least entertaining. Letter Fire away, neocons!

I am so not worthy.

Love the mounties!!!

Can't wait for Dan - to try to discredit this one. Maybe if he uses his (il)logic, he can discredit all previous "alleged" summits of Mt. Rainier and claim being the first by virtue of being the fastest.

They also initiated a body search of Lance and found a couple of other item unfamiliar to the French......a Spine & a Testicle

The reason for the Wisconson crew is that National Guard Units from around the country are backfilling for the regualr MAST crews who are all in the Middle East. We've had crews from both Wisconson & Delaware working out of Ft. Lewis & Yakima.

Siegmund Freakin' Freud! It IS all about infant sexuality! (as opposed to the infantile sexuality on this site!)

"Somewhere in Texas, a Village is missing its idiot." "While it is true that not all stupid people are conservatives, it is true that all conservatives are stupid people." Undoubtably wriiten for Martlet. My fav: Nuke Gay Whales for Jesus

This Friday, June 25, there will be a presentation given at the Tacoma Mountaineers clubhouse regarding the conclusion of some pretty extensive testing of snow anchors. Its at 7:30pm. Should be of interest to those wondering just how bomber pickets, flukes and bollards are. Not that it matters, but the testing was done independantly under a grant given by the Mountain Rescue Association.

Anyone catch Ron Jr.'s comments in eulogizing his father yesterday? From the Seattle Times today: "After sharing some reminiscences, son Ron Reagan veered into a politically sensitive area by seeming to deliver a warning to President Bush and other politicians who talk about their religious faith at political events. Ron Reagan said his father was "a deeply, unabashedly religious man, but he never made the fatal mistake of so many politicians, wearing his religious faith on his sleeve to gain political advantage." He added that while Reagan "came to believe that God had spared him" from a 1981 assassination attempt, he concluded that the divine intervention left him with "a responsibility, not a mandate — and there is a profound difference." You go Ron!

I wish I still had my "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Bill & Opus" T-Shirt.

On CNN this morning

My daughter at 8 months when she was just getting ready to walk. What a great expression.

Yup

One of the best uses of slide I've heard is "In my time of dying" by Led Zepplin. Jimmy Page rocks.

LW....Must be distant cousin of Harry Pi. Long Wang ==================================================D