Pete_H

I caught that Scott. Funny how Buckaroo thought it was a great website though.

If you are half way educated you don't need a source. These are all historical events that were conspiracies. Just because some of them weren't known as conspiracy theories by outsiders before they were exposed doesn't mean that people in the government were not lying to us and participating in a conspiracy. Also the Gulf of Tonkin incident establishes that the government will lie to the public to foment war. Which is exactly what 911 was. Look, you are correct in that I wouldn't expect someone making a persuasive argument to cite a source for something like the Gulf of Tonkin Affair, since (as you note) it is a commonly known historical event. However, when the author then makes statements that world policy is managed by a select group of elite individuals controlling banks and all resources, I would expect the author to, maybe, back up the claim with a source or two. Many of these conspiracy ring leaders use a persuasive tactic I tend to see a lot in extreme political ideologs. They assert a well-established fact, something that people can buy into, like Gulf of Tonkin, Iran-Contra, etc. Then try to pull people a long into fringe theories and outrageous assertions. Not really a whole lot different than Rush and the like.

Interesting. Where's your source for this information other than some internet article?

Right. Its just a list of factual historical events, like the attempted Hitler assassination and Iran - Contra mixed in with your standard New World Order and Illuminati conspiracy bullshit. With, of course, no actual references to any source. Maybe you should take some of your self-righteous skepticism and turn it on this internet garbage that you blindly accept as reality.

Get the one that looks the coolest. Definitly. A lot of people tie their chalk bags on with some cord or webbing so that they have extra tat in a pinch.

Are you referring to me? Yeah...I ate too many drugs in the 70's when I was 5 years old....... thats funny. See. You thought you were 5, but you were just really high.

Last months Outside mag had an article about this. The next article was about how exercising outdoors, like trail running, is super good for your mental and physical well being.

And you can save the rest in the glass jug with a handle till later.

And most of us aren't a burn out butt-rocker from Portland who ate too many drugs in the '70's, who develops his world paradigm from whacked-out internet conspiracy websites. Go Ron Paul!

No, some of us have educations and/or practical experience in the field of policy / government.

YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT, BONER!

So we're all in accord that you're a dumbass.

Go out and tour indeed. I don't think you need to stick to the resorts, but might not be the time for an ambitious multi-day above treeline trip. From Everett I'd check out b/c options near Baker, Stevens, or Snocrummie.

Come on you don't expect Kevbone to read every word in his cut-and-paste job

Forecast is calling for significant snow through the weekend. Probably not the best time to be above treeline unless the predicted weather doesn't materialize.

Also depends on what you're using it for. For long-term winter trips a Firstlight probably isn't the best.

WELCOME TO THE PNW!!!

Yeah, cause they all climb 5.13. Keenwash, I like to put my empty pack in the foot end of the tent to protect from the effect you're describing. I agree a Firstlight for two tall people isn't very comfortable, but light and comfortable is a rare combination in a tent.

I'm 6'4" and a Firstlight works just fine. Stop being such a pussy.

We need more graphs and pie charts. Preferably with colors next time. Also some flow charts, references to obscure academic studies, and maybe a power point presentation would really improve this fascinating discussion.

In my experience, Vantage is a much better cool weather spot. I havent found any good crags at Tieton that get a lot of sun this time of year and are protected from the wind. Most of the routes at Vantage are just fine as far as rick quality and are cleaned up nicely. Some of the more obscure routes are a bit more expert only.

Eat more pusse.

Never go full retard, Boner.

We won the war when Bush declared victory aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. Its the liberal media that keeps deceiving the people.

You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had.