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Team of 8. Not only is that dangerous but it's incredibly inconsiderate of anyone else that might want to climb the mountain that day. The Mazamas are aware that they don't own every volcano in the PNW, right?

Interesting that it never occurred to him to use the tree he was dreaming under to start a fire. I wonder how many BTU's a hiking sock puts out?

Dawg, you are right on the money with this one. No one seems to notice that we're living in a police state. Too bad about what happened to all of this guys victims but just because somebody else does something horrible doesn't mean I have to give up my basic civil rights.

I predict that in 2012 I will finally summit the N. Sister and I'll send 5.11. Pretty sure the rest of it is out of my control. Amurikkka will get what it deserves.

Tvash, you're missing the point. It's not up to Washingtonians what they can and cannot do on Federally protected land. I get just as much say in it as you do. It doesn't matter if it's a crapper or a fire lookout. Glad you liked my Gorge TR enough to continue referencing it despite the fact that I didn't bring it up!

Oh, I see. Since I don't live right next to this piece of Federally owned and managed wilderness then I don't get to have a say in how it's used? How close exactly do I need to live before I get to speak my opinion? 10 miles? 100? 217 1/2? Please tell me so that I don't go and embarrass myself again by speaking out of place. I thought the whole point of it being protected by the feds was that it belonged to all of us and wouldn't be left up to the locals to use and abuse as they see fit? You're wrong in stating that I don't understand what the Wilderness Act "actually" is. I understand all too well how it has misinterpreted by user groups across this country so that they can achieve whatever goal or pet project they've decided is important. If it's been set aside as a Wilderness then there is no gray area in the act as to what is allowed. Except of course whatever gray area the bureaucrats in the FS "decide" exists. They are not supposed to be making laws or finding ways to circumvent the ones that all ready exist. I usually agree with your views on things Tvash but in this I think you are absolutely wrong. Attack this group and call them drunk sheep fuckers if you have to but it won't change the fact that if someone doesn't hold the FS accountable for their reprehensible "management" of our public lands then one day there will be no more public lands. Please, now tell me how I'm an ignorant fool. Your name calling rants are usually quite entertaining.

So where would you draw the line Tvash? The Forest Service rules apply to everybody but the FS? What's next? Back Country Welcome centers with toilets and trash removal service at every fire ring scattered across the PNW? That would certainly make it more comfortable for the "hikers" that are so up in arms about the possibility of losing their rest spot. How soon am I going to need to carry mein papiers with me when I go climbing? How much will those cost me and how exactly will the FS waste that money? I realize it's a lot easier to demonize the group that is doing this than it is to look at the facts and make the obvious decisions that needs to be made. The FS broke the law that they themselves have been given the responsibility of upholding. When I break the law and get caught I'm held accountable. If the locals in WA don't want to hold the FS accountable then perhaps you should step aside and let someone who actually gives a shit about our public lands do what they feel compelled to do?

Tell me about it! You have no idea how much I can sympathize with your situation Sobo. I wasn't even married to my last partner (together 6 years though) but she still managed to get me into a court room after I caught her sleeping with our room mate. Somehow she got it in her head that this was my fault and, as punishment, I should have to give her all my property and move into my car. She timed this perfectly so that I was without a vehicle at that particular moment and then told a judge that I threatened her despite not even having talked with her for weeks. This effectively made me homeless. In the end the judge saw it my way and she didn't get a single thing from me but that didn't stop her from causing me a whole lot of head ache and drama. I hear that she still feels completely justified in doing what she did to this day. I am so fortunate that we didn't have kids. I can't even imagine what my life would be like if I still had to deal with that disgusting excuse for a human being. I took my dog and she kept the cats. Fair enough. You cannot trust a woman like this to do anything but that which serves her own self interests. Hurting you is obviously her goal. Don't play her games. Oh...and before this thread gets shipped to the counseling corner... Happy Holiday!

Anyway, I'm not a lawyer or anything but from my past experience with this kind of thing you'd be best to dot your I's and cross your T's while remaining on your best behavior. I know I don't need to tell you how good women like this are at playing the victim and playing their sympathy cards to the courts while at the same time being cold calculating bitches. Stay cool Sobo. It'll serve you and your kid's better in the long run. Sorry the Holiday was less than stellar for you.

I feel for you man. I've had my share of dealing with crazy ex's as well. You might want to remember that this site is open to the public and making threats on a public forum against your ex wife isn't going to sit well with the judge. Especially if you are asking him for favors. I completely understand where you are coming from however, toning it down on these boards might serve you better in the long run. Hope things work out well for you.

I guess that would depend on what you view as flaming Rob.

You are correct Rob. Voicing that suspicion would be the right thing to do. Doing that in a way that doesn't involve name calling would be in line with the stated rules of the forum. Calling him a "dickwagger" from the East Coast, or at the very least implying that the OP, being from the East Coast, would be one to wag his dick about, is flaming. Flaming isn't allowed in the newbies forum and DPS, since he seems to spend most of his waking hours trolling these and other forums knows that well enough. He's reprimanded me in the past actually so I'm quite sure he's well aware of the no flaming rule. Why should this rule not apply to him? Because he has an illness and can't climb anymore? Because he used to be a real hardman? Because he looks really good in Prana? I don't actually have a problem with any of it. If duder wants to come out here and kill himself I say free fucks to em'. This threads been full of good advice and I don't really give a shit about the delivery of it all. Unfortunately there are a few on this board and more specifically the Newbies forum that have christened themselves the wise old men of the mountains. If you give advice that differs from theirs or in a way that they feel is mean spirited they don't hesitate to call you out on it. Apparently some of those same individuals that have taken up the righteous cause of the "newb" feel that the rules of the forum don't apply to them because they are sick or some such shit.

What a nice little foot soldier for the man you are Steve! You're correctthough, as a good Amurikan one should stop and present the valid paperwork to anyone wearing a uniform and giving you orders. Just like you're supposed to do in any fascist nation. Do whatever you're told and simply move along after paying you're fee. Total bullshit. Fight it. The Western Slope No Fee Coalition might be interested in hearing about this as well. Kitty Benzar has posted on these boards before and although I doubt they can offer assistance I'm sure they will have some advice. Good luck and keep us posted. If people don't stand up to this obvious bullshit and fight it then in the end we are allowing an individual ranger that was hired to do nothing more than patrol a parking lot to make up the laws as they go along. You had to hike past a locked gate for fucks sake and couldn't even shoot a deuce cause the shitter was locked. What exactly are they charging you for?

Having been castigated in the past, by none other than yourself, for flaming in the Newbies forum I'm left wondering if you've changed your mind about being a dick on the interwebz or if perhaps you just forgot to take your meds this morning DPS? Maybe you just forgot you were on CC and mistakenly thought you were posting to Summitcrap.com? As I recollect it those dick waggers from the east coast (I guess Texas is the east coast now) found themselves dead because of an injury and getting pinned down by a much worse than predicted storm that socked the whole damn Mt in for days with winds in excess of 100mph. It's real easy for someone who doesn't even climb anymore to armchair the decisions made by people they've never met doing things you no longer do. To the OP...yeah, BC solo touring probably isn't the best idea if your avy skills are lacking. Maybe you should use the partners forum and find a local who is interested in getting out while you are here?

I've been snowed on every month out of the year in the cascades and I've hiked in a T'shirt in the middle of winter on several occasions. Obviously as you move closer to "summer" the weather will get better in the alpine which also means that the "ice" you are looking to climb will be melting out. Having a clearly defined objective will help you in figuring out when to schedule your trip. I'd pick the route(s) first and then go when they are "in", if that is at all possible with your schedule. Weather patterns north to south along the entire range can vary a lot and often changes drastically from year to year as well. Last year routes that are normally melted out scree slogs by mid June were hanging in there until mid July and lots of places that normally melt out by July held their snow all year. The weather has been and looks to be again anything but normal. You can look up the historical averages and buy plane tickets and what not based on that data although I'd think throwing a dart at a calendar will produce results of equal usefulness.

Hey Paul! When is your Moolack guide gonna be out? We're all waiting with much anticipation.

Excellent find FW. I can't say I'm all that surprised by the findings from the audit.

Check the library for a copy of "Oregon High". It might help. Unless you're looking for info about Mt Hood you'll be mostly disappointed with the lack of available beta on CC for most of the Volcanoes in OR.

Yeah, that "hope and change" thing didn't end up living up to the the marketing.

It's actually more like... "The new program yielded $7.2 million in total sales its first four months. Sales were projected at $65 million ($54 million for State Parks) over the course of the current 24-month budget cycle, which runs through June 30, 2013." (according to the document posted) The verbage used tells you all you need to know about how the state views the operations of our public lands... "The goal is to keep customer service in place in order to continue building Discover Pass sales, while the agency also works on a longer-term shift to a new business model reliant upon new revenue sources, partnerships and marketing." Since when did our public lands become a "business"? If they don't have enough money to keep the parks open why are they attempting to encourage more people to use them? Why does the public need to be "sold" anything? The parks dept. is now in the "business" of convincing me I need to give them more money so they can afford to "market" our public lands back to us? None of this makes any sense and I'm sorry but I'm not going to shed a tear about the fact that the "Discover Pass" idea didn't quite pan out the way they were hoping. As far as I'm concerned they've squandered enough money trying to "upgrade" trail heads and add services that were not needed. Now they can figure out how to do with less. Just like everyone else. http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1042713/TR_Horsethief_Butte#Post1042713

What does the grade of the climb have to do with how much pro you use? I'd think the inverse would be true. Sew up the slabby low angle shit and run it out on the steeper stuff. Once you are into the 10's the falls are usually cleaner and you won't need to put in as much gear or hang out in a shitty stance to fiddle something in. If you don't use up a single set of cams in a 50 meter pitch I'd say you are plenty bold all ready. Don't know too many climbers that would go 150+ ft with only a single set of cams. Assuming you can use up to #3 Camalot that leaves you with only 7 cams. Of course you'll be able to use a few of those nuts you've got but I'd think the hexes and yes maybe even the tricams would come in handy for a pitch like that. Don't believe all of the "advice" you are given on these boards.

I know! Isn't it just absolutely absurd how nearly anyone can go rock climbing, have a great time and then write about it! I realize this leaves you in the precarious position of having to decide whether or not you should read it and THEN you have to decide if you should post a snide comment in response or just keep your elitist opinion to yourself! I feel for you Ospray. I often find myself in the same situation. I usually decide to just go ahead and be a douche bag. Perhaps there are some homeless kids or jaywalkers that you can take your frustrations out on if venting on these boards doesn't work out for you? Too bad there aren't more officers of the law that are as kind and respectful as you. Out there walking our streets for us ensuring that we know how impressive and strong they are. It's nice to know that there's at least one cop on the beat making sure we all know just how weak and unenlightened we are!

Sweet photo. How'd you get that grapefruit inside your ankle?

Glad you liked my TR dougd. Thanks for articulating your well thought out opinion on the matter!

You're correct. You didn't advocate one way or the other. I apologize for putting words into your mouth. Changes are coming and I'd say it's about damn time. Both OR and WA have been frivolously throwing money at huge "improvement" projects for years and now they are reaping the consequences of those actions. Their answer to the empty purse they find themselves holding is to charge even higher fees that discourage use and privatization of management of public lands that they now find they no longer have the moolah to maintain because they blew it all on garbage cans, asphalt and shit holes. It's not the states job to make the outdoors accessible to every single person that has the gumption to drive a 60 ft RV into the "wilderness" and I for one certainly don't want to pay anymore money so that the state can turn it into asphalt and locked priveys.