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Well, that's Rob's assertion, so you might ask him. please translate this for me then... Originally Posted By: matt_warfield If she had guns in a lockbox and not in the closet or under the pillow or under the couch this could have been prevented. It is a terrible tragedy but owning guns is a big responsibility.

But Mrs. Lanza is responsible for the actions of her adult son because he was able to figure out how to steal her guns and kill her with them?

So do you take personal responsibility for the death of your son?

Dane, that's a great story you should do a TR. Doesn't sound to me like Jake had that kind of a day though. Did you miss the part of his OP that shows photos of the cuff on the other boot also wearing thin? If they are both failing at the exact same point then that sounds seriously like design failure to me. To me it would be unacceptable, premature failure and I would not hesitate to return them and ask for a full refund. I wouldn't consider this an unreasonable epectation of the product or the company. Not in today's marketplace anyway. Also, what G-spotter said.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Thanks for the PSA. $500 climbing boots that fall apart on the approach must just be for status chasers with too much money. I'm sure they look great in the seven summits scrapbook though.

Totally agree with the OP on this one. For what those boots cost they should be able to withstand one day of bush wacking. If they can't then wtf good are they as a climbing boot?

I don't wish the dude would have died up there. I do wish that more people would call him out for being a dumbass though. Instead, everyone's patting him on the ass and giving him an atta' boy when they really should be punching him squarely in the nuts for being an idiot. Instead of praising him for "doing the right thing" by calling in a rescue then kicking back and creeping Facebook until SAR could bring him some hot chocolate, I'd think he deserves a severe tongue lashing from his mother (or GGK) for not being mentally or physically prepared to complete a climb in those conditions but climbing anyway.

Nice little adventure. Can't wait for the TR. Its great to see that compass reading and white out navigation are considered to be part of an advanced skill set by you guys. I'm the definition of weekend warrior when it comes to climbing and I wouldn't dream of climbing anything if I wasn't confident in my abilities to get myself off a mountain in bad weather. I've done it several times as have many, many climbers I know. It's not really that hard. Not sure why several of you are making it out to be more than it is.

Not sure WTF that means but I've never had to spend an unplanned night in a lenticular. Might have something to do with me knowing how to read a compass. Hope rescuers get him down.

He'll probably go on and on about how all that shit "saved his life". Of course, I'd wager that right about now he'd trade all of it for the ability to read a damned compass.

How about this for a solution? I'll give you twenty bucks for the chopped rope and you can put that towards buying yourself a brand new one if this sort of thing keeps you up at night. I'll use it with one of my weirdo 1/2 ropes. Ones about 63m from the factory.Another one's been chopped down to something like 50m, although I'm not exactly sure of the precise length. I've always had trouble getting exact measurements of rubber bands. I'll continue to tie knots in the end of my line on raps that don't end on the ground, keep someone/something tied into both ends when climbing and mark the middle so that I can use it as a single our doubled over when chossmateiring. Regardless what length it is.

He wants to go sometime toward the end of December or early January. Have you considered finding a different partner, a different hill to start on, a different time of year to get into volcano climbing, or perhaps all three? Good luck. Current thread in the OR forum.

Maybe I missed it but when are you guys planning on climbing?

Thanks for that...had never heard the term before. Awesome. Sorry for the diversion. As far as the ads go sure why not, just don't start in with the pop ups. I've haven't gotten past the front page of a site with a pop up ad in over a decade.

By Rove standards that would depend on which outcome you favor.

I thought this too. I was wrong.

At least they will CLAIM they've established it. And they can claim whatever they want. Of course a cop can always ASK you to take an FST without even claiming to have probable cause. Glad to see this measure pass but the DUI language in it seems like a time bomb to me.

I disagree. We haven't had a shit show, media circus, rescue effort on Hood in several months. Let's get the season started off right! Don't forget your Tauntaun, MLU, PLB, cell phone and steel "signalling" cable. Remember, "Y" means yes there are climbers here. BTW...there's a sticky thread at the top of the Oregon forums that is a much better place to ask stupid questions like this and you won't even get flamed. At least by me. Good luck. Looking forward to your TR.

You tell 'em Ivan. My GF is a special ed teacher of more than a decade. The problem with our schools is not the teachers and their union. I don't know of too many other jobs out there that pay so little while demanding so much. If every teacher in the country worked nothing more than their contract (paid) hrs and refused to spend a portion of their personal income on necessary supplies because the money isn't in the budget for expensive shit like notebooks, the entire education system would immediately collapse. I don't think most people have a clue just how much is getting done with so little. Of course the future of privately owned prison facilities looks to be a bright one.

I would strongly disagree that the Pioneer Route would be a good place to "practice" aid climbing. Lots of other routes at Smith that he could learn on but that's not one of 'em. I completely agree with this.

Thanks for posting that Bill. I found the article to be rather eye opening. I guess we'll see what happens. I'm surprised that this hasn't been more widely reported. Actually, I'm not.

Glad you watched it. I agree that it may not be the "smoking gun" but it raises several solid questions that deserve answers. It's not up to me or the American people to answer those questions. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the government. After an event like this and the way it was used as justification for our invasion, the U.S. Government owes it to the WORLD to answer these questions. I'm not the only one that feels this way.. This week, Judge Imposimato stated publicly in writing that 9/11 was just like the “strategy of tension” carried out in Italy. I'll also agree that if I actually had a theory I believed that I should have to support it with some sort of solid evidence. I don't. I haven't a clue what happened that day. I know the official story doesn't make any sense. It reads like a (bad) B movie other than the part where no one gets laid in the end.

I see that since I haven't posted my own personal opinions and ideas that you've made some up FOR me. Nice work! Perhaps the Romney team has an opening? They could use a few more guys like you. I'm still waiting on that list of allowable spray topics...?

Please explain why my personal opinion on this subject matters so much to you and why I'm RETARDED for pointing out that dismissing everything Kevbone has to say is short sighted and close minded. Also please show me where, in this AWESOME thread, that Kevbone claims that aliens did it. I must have indeed skipped that part. That's some really interesting logic you got there Rob. If only people would stop asking questions then we could finally get to the bottom of this. I'm sorry for my off topic rant in this very concise and exacting thread you guys have going here. I didn't get the memo stating which points were allowed to be discussed and which are strictly verboten. I'll try to contain the scope of my comments to those that you feel comfortable discussing. Please let me know which specific things we are allowed to comment on and which we should just hide under our tin foil hats. Thanks.

Rob, Yes I've seen that video as well. It aired April 30, 2002 on PBS. Less than 7 months after the attack. I'm sure that was plenty of time for them to gather all the "facts". It does not refute the documentary that was just released. In fact, the opposite it true. But go ahead and spin that however you want. Did YOU watch the video I posted? You must have seen it all ready since your reply last night was posted less than 10 minutes after I posted the link and it's over 2 hours long. Glad you're staying educated on all sides of the issue! Or you're an exceptionally fast movie watcher. As to your other questions...I'm not going to wade into any of that crap because what I personally believe doesn't matter in the least. What DOES matter is the fact that there is a very long list of unanswered questions and inconsistencies that the official conspiracy theory does not even begin to address and an even longer list of out right lies and distortions that the entire theory resides on. It's not my job, or Kevs or any other American citizen to "prove" anything. How could anyone "prove" anything considering most of the evidence was cleaned up and shipped to china before anyone had a chance to examine it? It's fairly obvious to anyone with at least 2 brain cells that someone was covering up something. What exactly "they" were covering up and who "they" were is something that we may never know. That's not a good reason to stop trying to hold those who's job it is to investigate things like this for the American people accountable. But we have a problem holding people accountable because it's a lot easier to just bury your head in the sand and believe the "evil doers" did it. Believe what you want to believe. Doesn't really make a difference to me. I just thought I'd point out that while you guys are brow beating Kevbone for his views you're also ignoring a mountain of evidence that shows the official story, as read, is bullshit. Carry on. Didn't mean to interrupt your circle jerk.