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Sent you a PM.

I disagree. We haven't had a shit show, media circus, rescue effort on Hood in several months. Let's get the season started off right! Don't forget your Tauntaun, MLU, PLB, cell phone and steel "signalling" cable. Remember, "Y" means yes there are climbers here. BTW...there's a sticky thread at the top of the Oregon forums that is a much better place to ask stupid questions like this and you won't even get flamed. At least by me. Good luck. Looking forward to your TR.

You tell 'em Ivan. My GF is a special ed teacher of more than a decade. The problem with our schools is not the teachers and their union. I don't know of too many other jobs out there that pay so little while demanding so much. If every teacher in the country worked nothing more than their contract (paid) hrs and refused to spend a portion of their personal income on necessary supplies because the money isn't in the budget for expensive shit like notebooks, the entire education system would immediately collapse. I don't think most people have a clue just how much is getting done with so little. Of course the future of privately owned prison facilities looks to be a bright one.

I would strongly disagree that the Pioneer Route would be a good place to "practice" aid climbing. Lots of other routes at Smith that he could learn on but that's not one of 'em. I completely agree with this.

Thanks for posting that Bill. I found the article to be rather eye opening. I guess we'll see what happens. I'm surprised that this hasn't been more widely reported. Actually, I'm not.

Glad you watched it. I agree that it may not be the "smoking gun" but it raises several solid questions that deserve answers. It's not up to me or the American people to answer those questions. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the government. After an event like this and the way it was used as justification for our invasion, the U.S. Government owes it to the WORLD to answer these questions. I'm not the only one that feels this way.. This week, Judge Imposimato stated publicly in writing that 9/11 was just like the “strategy of tension” carried out in Italy. I'll also agree that if I actually had a theory I believed that I should have to support it with some sort of solid evidence. I don't. I haven't a clue what happened that day. I know the official story doesn't make any sense. It reads like a (bad) B movie other than the part where no one gets laid in the end.

I see that since I haven't posted my own personal opinions and ideas that you've made some up FOR me. Nice work! Perhaps the Romney team has an opening? They could use a few more guys like you. I'm still waiting on that list of allowable spray topics...?

Please explain why my personal opinion on this subject matters so much to you and why I'm RETARDED for pointing out that dismissing everything Kevbone has to say is short sighted and close minded. Also please show me where, in this AWESOME thread, that Kevbone claims that aliens did it. I must have indeed skipped that part. That's some really interesting logic you got there Rob. If only people would stop asking questions then we could finally get to the bottom of this. I'm sorry for my off topic rant in this very concise and exacting thread you guys have going here. I didn't get the memo stating which points were allowed to be discussed and which are strictly verboten. I'll try to contain the scope of my comments to those that you feel comfortable discussing. Please let me know which specific things we are allowed to comment on and which we should just hide under our tin foil hats. Thanks.

Rob, Yes I've seen that video as well. It aired April 30, 2002 on PBS. Less than 7 months after the attack. I'm sure that was plenty of time for them to gather all the "facts". It does not refute the documentary that was just released. In fact, the opposite it true. But go ahead and spin that however you want. Did YOU watch the video I posted? You must have seen it all ready since your reply last night was posted less than 10 minutes after I posted the link and it's over 2 hours long. Glad you're staying educated on all sides of the issue! Or you're an exceptionally fast movie watcher. As to your other questions...I'm not going to wade into any of that crap because what I personally believe doesn't matter in the least. What DOES matter is the fact that there is a very long list of unanswered questions and inconsistencies that the official conspiracy theory does not even begin to address and an even longer list of out right lies and distortions that the entire theory resides on. It's not my job, or Kevs or any other American citizen to "prove" anything. How could anyone "prove" anything considering most of the evidence was cleaned up and shipped to china before anyone had a chance to examine it? It's fairly obvious to anyone with at least 2 brain cells that someone was covering up something. What exactly "they" were covering up and who "they" were is something that we may never know. That's not a good reason to stop trying to hold those who's job it is to investigate things like this for the American people accountable. But we have a problem holding people accountable because it's a lot easier to just bury your head in the sand and believe the "evil doers" did it. Believe what you want to believe. Doesn't really make a difference to me. I just thought I'd point out that while you guys are brow beating Kevbone for his views you're also ignoring a mountain of evidence that shows the official story, as read, is bullshit. Carry on. Didn't mean to interrupt your circle jerk.

OMG! You know someone who saw OBL once! That totally changes my mind about everything. I can assume you did not watch the video then? Even though you keep insisting that someone show you some evidence that doesn't jive with the official conspiracy theory? On an unrelated note...I hiked up Mary's Peak last week and was able to see the ocean with a good pair of binoculars. I guess that makes me a professor of nautical engineering.

Not that this video, recently aired on PBS, is going to do anything to make you guys give any story other than the official one, any consideration. But I thought I'd share it anyway. PBS documentary. I'm sure all those scientists as well as the thousands upon thousands of people all around the world that are still pointing out that the official story just doesn't add up are all just a bunch of conspiracy idiots and the governments unwillingness to directly answer some VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS can be easily explained away as "security concerns". Also...please explain how working for the government or military makes your opinion more valid or accurate than someone's opinion who does not? Oh wait, you're just another loud mouthed fuck face on the internet and what you do for a job doesn't mean shit in regards to this subject. Keep telling yourself you've got it all figured out though if that's working for you. Spray away dipshit. ...and for fucks sake Kev. Stand up for yourself. They keep asking for evidence and you just keep blabbering on about sheep. There's so many unanswered questions and inconsistencies in the official story that I'd think you'd have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe it.

Sorry. We decided to go choss surfing on Diamond, Washington and Broken top instead. When I showed my brother this thread he just kind of rolled his eye at me and said "ummm, no thanks". Guess it'll have to wait until next year for me. I'd love to see some photos of it though if anyone's been up there?

Couldn't have said it better myself. I missed that thread Matt. Got a link?

I've Z clipped only once. It happened on one of the 5.8 pitches on Eagles Dare on Acker rock. I wonder who bolted that route? I don't think I was a solid 5.8 climber at that point so I guess I didn't deserve to lead that pitch either. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm still not a solid 5.8 climber so I should really sell all my gear and head back to the gym until I get my 5.6 lead cert card. Anyone wanna buy a double rack of cams? Most of them have only be dropped a couple times. I've hung on most of 'em quite a few times though.

So you're saying that one doesn't deserve to lead climb unless you feel completely confident on grades higher than 5.6? What does that even mean Greg, and when did you turn into such an elitist prick? Why would you ever even bother with putting a bolt on anything less than 5.10 then? Sorry we're not all hardmen of yor. This is the kind of shit I'd expect from Checat but after seeing your work all over Oregon I had a much higher opinion of you. Guess I was wrong. I've done a shit ton of climbing in the last couple of years and I've only clipped my way up a hand full of sport routes in that time so as far as I'm concerned you guys can go ahead and chop any and every sport route you encounter whether it's for a 5.12 hardman or a gumby 5.6 trembler. Considering the number of bolts that you have personally sunk in the last decade I'd think that you should have asked these questions a hell of a long time ago. Or you're trolling. Either way I'm a little disappointed to see this kind of crap coming from you.

Thanks Will. Let you know if conditions have changed any by next week when we go check it out.

Anyone been up Jefferson this summer? Curious myself about the shape of the Jeff Park route.

Have your partner carry them and send them up on the tag line one at a time. Shouldn't take too long and they won't get tangled up with your cow bells that way.

Info HERE with an illustration. More HERE Looks like it would work well for a two person team with both partners carrying enough excess rope to reach each other. If self extraction is possible (often likely) the fallen climber can use the pre tied knots in conjunction with a single (pre rigged ) prussik to ascend back to the lip and can also be backup belayed by the partner up top the entire time. 30m of rope is plenty to do this with but it doesn't leave any room for error when you're tired and trying to measure it out by the arm load in a white out. I would mark just past the one third points of both ends ahead of time to make this easy when it's time to pull the rope out.

We also climbed and skied Adams this weekend. Conditions on the standard climbing route were mostly perfect with only a few spots of rock that required us to take our skis off on the way up. Snow conditions from the summit all the way down the SW chutes were perfect! We were able to ski all the way back down to within a couple hundred meters of the TH except for the short traverse/ climb to get back to the climbing route, but it's melting fast and won't last long with these temps. There had to be at least 300 people on the mountain on Saturday. Get some.

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Skis are much faster, both up and down than booting it. I went from Paradise to Muir in 90 minues on skis. My fastest outing on boots was 2 hours. Just saying. You didn't bother to read the rest of my post did you?

Thanks for posting up about your trip. Sounds like a great time. I've spent the last few years booting or slow shoeing up the cascade volcanoes and then, at best, sliding part of the way down on my ass. Based on my previous experiences, your time up and down would have seemed impossibly fast and I'd have said you were lying, crazy, dangerous or some combination of the three. This year I learned how to ski (kinda) and my view of what's possible on a volcano has completely changed. Although I'll never be making speed attempts on RainyR I can appreciate those that are out there pushing boundaries and redefining the "normal". Nice job and ignore the haters!

Got a link to any of that reading? I'd be curious to know the story behind this.

Not that having the entire sheet of ice you're climbing peal off the mountain isn't a shit inducing episode. I'm certain I'd have to change or abandon my undergarments after an incident like that. ...and Rob, you're welcome to go fuck yourself with your ice tools. Sorry if I missed your little joke. I guess I don't spend every waking moment trolling internet forums so I can insult people I don't know to make myself feel better. Happy climbing!