ClimbingPanther

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I tend to agree with arch that an outburst like that could be a peek into his real character. The true nature of a person often shows itself only under pressure. Racist and other socially unacceptable ideas are not something famous people typically broadcast 'cause it hurts their ability to make money, so you'd never know he was racist without putting him in a situation like that. Now, maybe he really did just reach for the first hurtful word that popped in to his mind, but we can't know for sure. Just goes to prove he's a poor stand-up comic though, since a good one would surely have dealt with that situation at least professionally and possibly hilariously.

from article... I for one am interested in being part of a trail crew next summer. It would be sweet if a lot of cc'ers could populate trail crews. I need to meet some of you crazy foo's anyway.

Expensive, how so? Wonderful pics! I wish I could have done a hike like that while I was there!

Dude, it was an act of nature, not the NPS that really closed the park. My guess is they're not responsible. Maybe if they decided to abdicate their posts in favor of an extended employee getaway to the Bahamas, you might have a case. Ask not what your NPS can do for you...

think of all the people who WERE banned before they even registered!

Awwwww. Somebody please say that you get it and it made you laugh! There has to be somebody out there who gets it?!?! It's the funniest sound I ever heard! And I can't understand a single word!!!

You gotta laugh with me about that one

However... My creationist half says "PA-PA-PA-PA-PA-PA-OOM-AH-MOW-MOWWW, PA-PA-OOM-MOW-MOWWW, PA-PA-PA-OOM-AH-MOW-MOWWW, PA-PA-OOM-MOW-MOWWW!!!"

All I'm really trying to say is this: My scientist half does not speculate.

That island just above the northern tip of Greenland actually has ocean ice CLOSER to it than before. theory DIS-missed

No, I'm not unaware that evolution happens and that it's been observed and repeated I guess I should be more precise with my words and claim that even though some evolution can be observed (and is therefore science), our own historical journey from molecular soup to highly sophisticated organism cannot be repeated in a laboratory, and is not, strictly speaking, science. I will never claim something we can repeat (the examples of evolution you mention) is either false or of supernatural origin. Now of course, the person who does not allow for God to exist or create anything will rightly see the proven mechanism of evolution and use it to explain the unobservable past. There is no other way to explain it without divine intervention. Belief in God just offers another explanation; not as you pointed out a scientific theory, more of an untestable hypothesis. I did read my definition entirely and deliberately left it intact, because I'm not trying to hide creation's intellectual problems. Using the supernatural to explain something which can be repeated in a laboratory over and over is obvious foolishness. Using it to explain something we didn't and can't directly observe is, at the very least, not on the same level of foolishness. Speaking of intellectual problems, I like the one you mention about why, if God created everything 10K or whatever years ago, did he create things like stars gazillions of miles away yet with their light already hitting earth? Just to trick us in to unbelief? Frankly, I don't know. Your paradoxes, though good for thought, don't hold if God is a spirit (which is what Jesus taught). Besides, the second "if" isn't even true. We can't know everything there is to know about the physical universe, thank you Herr Heisenberg (lost anyone? google "heisenberg uncertainty"), not that it has much bearing on this discussion though [the "science can't do this" line is a very dangerous sentence, especially for a scientist to utter, but this principle seems to be holding up over time]. What are the mechanics and his role in the physical world today? Who knows. JayB, thanks for the sentiment, and I also appreciate you both being civil and willing to engage peaceably. I find that "hostile receptions" generally sprout from hostile initial remarks, and if the least I can do is play my part in a level-headed discussion, then I've contributed something. Agreed, it certainly must be within God's power to create the world we see today by whatever means and with whatever amount of time he saw fit. He certainly could have used a "Big Bang" to bring the universe into existence. Now it's your turn to tell me how to do it without God I know, I'm being facetious, especially as a scientist, I don't believe it's wise to discount something before you prove it false. OK, signing off for the day.

I will just assume you didn't read my whole post...

Just another off-topic perspective on this, that's all This scientific ignorance you speak of is not necessarily what "vindicates" creationism to all those who believe it. The creationist perspective doesn't seek to invalidate science, it just provides an alternate explanation -- that the world was created with the appearance of age, just as the first man would have been created as an adult, not a baby. A logical analysis based on present-day human experience would indicate that the first man, even one second after his creation, would appear to us to be 20,30,40? years old, and therefore he must actually BE that old. Since this incongruity of appearance and reality holds for man, why not for the whole universe? No rational person, creationist or not, will claim that the universe actually appears to only be 10K years old. That is very clear [how many light years away are the farthest galaxies *that we can SEE*???!!!]. However, the creationist will argue that God did not feel the need to cause the universe to conform to future man's retro-analysis of how it all happened. After all, what would a brand new universe look like, anyway? So don't mistake a creationist for being ignorant or willfully in denial about science. Science is, by definition (Wiki): "Scientists maintain that scientific investigation must adhere to the scientific method, a process for developing and evaluating natural explanations for observable phenomena based on empirical study and independent verification. Science typically, therefore, rejects supernatural explanations and arguments from authority." The take home point is that "science" by definition is empirical and verifiable, while both evolution and creation are historical speculations based on contemporary observations. Maybe evolution does accurately describe history, but it is not repeatable and never will be [neither is creation repeatable], given the time frame of the experiment, so I don't believe it is accurately labeled as "science." Whatever experiments and observations are made today, yes, definitely, it's science and therefore unassailable. The great strength of science and the very reason it has progressed so far is because of its rejection of supernatural explanations for observable phenomena. However, history is not observable. Cheers!

Shoot, this is going to win for my thread that fell on its face quickest!

Could you please give me that in cubits?

Ah, the nostalgia? of resurrected threads... They'd be more interesting though if some of us newer folk knew who was talking. Please post/discuss known equivalent avatars, especially banned ones who are using a new avatars

It's not about the issues, FW, it's about the evility of the Republicans But hey, he can bring up whatever stories he wants to, and you're free to do the same. Balance can rarely be achieved by any one person anyway.

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That is absolutely amazing. Just a friendly reminder to "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" The NPS guys have their work cut out for them! Wonder if they'll be ready for trail volunteers next July/Aug? I'm game.

Stupid idealist pig. Doesn't she know anything? Ignorance is Strength War is Peace Freedom is Slavery -Ivan

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