ClimbingPanther

For those of you who are new to the forum, please observe that ShiniGami stopped posting and left, but by some strange coincidence, a new person ( GrantsPassed ) just registered a few minutes ago and began right where ShiniGami left off. They are the same person. Please don't just ignore a certain name, but all the "different" people who are acting like this. The world will be a better place.

correct, so stop the madness and ignore him.

Request thread name change: Re: Hundreds lost on this thread

ch...ch...chia?

Sometimes these gems pop in to your mind and you just have to say it. Too much unfunny garbage elsewhere on this site right now.

Dudes, why all the fox bashing just because it's a little farther right than you are? Why don't you start bashing on your own biased liberal news sources like "The Onion" and so forth. Several of their stories have turned out to be exaggerated.

Good grief, you leave the thread for less than 24 hours and it balloons to double its former size! So much for being a resource.

What an eloquent statement! I like it.

Phil, try to remember what has been discussed previously so we don't waste space hashing it over and over. Remember that SAR folks on the ground are volunteers who love to climb and have a wonderful sense of care for others' well-being. They wouldn't be out there if they didn't want to be. Also remember the ethic of not sending SAR into danger above and beyond what is inherent in mountaineering. This is why nobody has been swept away in an avalance attempting the impossible. These guys are not responsible for putting anybody's lives in danger. That is each SAR member's personal choice, and to pin it on the climbers distracts people from the incredible character of the SAR folks.

The real question is, when you eat a 2000+? calorie [18 oz beef] cheeseburger at Pilot Butte in Bend, OR, and you only have a very small and unassuming dump two days after eating it, where did the burger go? That is what you find when you look up "scary" in the dictionary. Thanks for the input enelson & bstach. I'll be bagging.

messed up my first post, it's there now.

Not a good comparison. How many people who swam the English channel wore life vests? At higher levels of mountaineering and swimming, safety measures sometimes become optional. Plus, the life jacket will keep you afloat until you are rescued or you rescue yourself. The MLU offers no such safety net, there's too many "if's." If you took every possible safety precaution available to climbers nowadays for every possible contingency no matter how unlikely (which is essentially what you are suggesting), you would have too much weight to climb. Everyone has to draw a line as to how much risk they want to take. Wow, what is that like the 100th time that has been said? Not trying to sound like a jerk here, just a little exasperated at your persistence in an opinion that is not espoused by actual climbers (or swimmers).

Sure, this one works. If you haven't registered before, then sorry, but I'm not convinced. Your timing and attitude is too much of a coincidence. My thoughts are this: You have to rent/buy one, which for me is inconvenient since I come from the other side of the mountain and Government Camp is out of the way (G.C. is the only place you can rent them 24/7). Look at the statistics sometime for how many people climb Hood and then compare that with how many people would have actually been better off with a MLU. Pretty slim chance, and it's just a personal decision whether or not you want to take that chance. If the rescue ethic is maintained of not putting the SAR folks in danger any more than they would be if they just went out for a weekend outing (which most of them do for fun anyway), then there is typically no harm done (to anyone but yourself) and little cost above and beyond what would normally have to be incurred as a result of being rescued with the MLU. So there's the odds / personal choice argument against it.

What is this, the third name you've registered under now? Your opinion is not worth the electricity it took to get to my computer.

But what do you smear it on when there's 10 feet of snow? The bark of a tree that looks like it needs fertilizer? And how dare they move this to spray?!?! I'm deeply offended that so pressing an issue as this be sidelined. All I wanted to do was have a serious discussion about pooping.

Yeah buddy!!!

The fact is though, they didn't do something stupid, I'm sure they were not ignorant of the weather possibilities here, and this situation did not happen because they're Texans or New Yorkers. Their actions are no different than the many others on and off this board who climb Hood all the time. They got the summit and would have made it down, but they had an injury when extra time to extract the injured person was not afforded them by nature. It is an unfortuante coincidence, not some foolish decision they made. Without the accident (assumption, but why else would they split up?), I'm sure there would have never been something to make this trip stand out from the many other trips up Hood.

First of all, why is my moondancer not dancing? Second, why aren't more people interested in poop? Must be too late in the day.

oh, you guys are all just too fast for me

faster than the average Dechristo

faster than the average moderator

Hark, the voice of experience?

Sounds like a good read, but I'm not paying $8 to find out what she says. Anybody care to give me the cliff notes version? Come on, let's talk about poop!

90% sounds like an awful stretch and "new" snow varies a lot in density, but yes that does contribute, though likely not enough to be the only source of air.