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I cant figure out how it isnt melamine either

Last two are maybe train wreck

Are you talking overnight trip, or a place to sleep in the parking lot? If looking for a place in the parking lot, the mid lot at ski acres by the bonanaza chair seems pretty discrete. You will most likely get hassled at the upper alpental lot, and you have to pay ridiculous fees to park in the RV lots.

Looks like beautiful weather. Both the NEB and NF look to be in great shape this year. Some of those pictures are great Aaron.

Sounds like an amazing climb. Hopefully you can post a few teaser pics here before the slideshow.

Wow dru, what is this? a golden piton award for ants?

The prost seemed like a cool place. Wish we could have stayed longer. At first I was scared my gigantic pilsner in an exotic glass would be outragously priced, but it was "only" $4.50, and damn tasty. I think the Prost should be added to the running list of repeat venues.

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I was thinking online sales. It just seems that even small climbing shops aren't exactly rolling in dough, so when you eliminate gear, much of which is high margin, I'd think it would cut into profitability. Regarding the coffee shop/meeting place, think about pub club turnouts; 4-6 climbers every 2 or so weeks. Not saying it wouldn't work, I just don't know if you're clientèle is the most social group.

Seems like a pretty impossible venture unless you could somehow implement a strong online presence as well. Location wise I'd have to think N. Seattle would give the best combination of convenience/market/rent.

The shell deal is real and appears to be statewide. Basically buy 10 gallons of gas, then take you're receipt inside and get a stamped voucher. The voucher is good in state also, but with a bunch of stupid restrictions like Crystal after 4PM on Saturdays wtf. Anyhow, no restrictions at all for whistler. Definitely beats the hell out of the edge card. Glad I only bought one day on mine. I'll be up there this weekend, so hopefully the goods are good.

If we go with Jens' choice we can fill out our hipster bingo cards. Prost sounds good though.

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Did anybody go to this. It sounded cool, but I completely forgot about it.

My wife works at OR and told me about this: Vertfest at Crystal Mountain on March 3, 2007. All proceeds benefit NWAC. Clinics, Demos, Races Details Here: http://orgear.com/home/page/home/vertfest

I think it is about 4 miles of road. If you have skis you will be a lot happier on the way down.

If it gets cold can I sleep in it like a Tauntaun.

The road is basically always plowed to bridge creek. You wont be able to get any closer to the trailheads without a sled or some lucky hitchhiking.

Has anybody been out skiing or anything at moderate elevations latelty? Just wondering how hard the rain crust has set up, and to what approximate elevation. Nothing current on TAY right now.

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I've enjoyed a healthy mix of both.

How old is it? Should have a 5 year warranty.

Your word of mouth system is great if you are a local with word of mouth access, but then you probably don't need a guidebook anyway. Star ratings are great for vistors to an area. At the very least, give a recommended climbs list (The falcon Tahoe book was like this but I'd prefer stars). I want to prioritize when I visit an area. Star ratings seem to be very subjective to the area, and don't need to correlate between areas. It also seems that stars tend to migrate non systematically towards the higher grades (usually newer routes). Lots of 5.11 3-4 star single pitches, but hardly any 5.8-5.9 3-4 star single pitches (unless put up by author). Especially on chossy basalt, I think there is a certain safety premise behind the star ratings as these routes tend to have the best rock/pro.

Wow kevbone, I can't believe that in the first seven pages of this thread nobody made that argument... Oh wait, they did over and over and over.

We're trying to keep it a secret. Shhh.