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True Dat! I remember after my ex experienced that for the first time that was her last time climbing ice, she was freaking.

It won't help, it will just give you an idea of what your hands will feel like until you develop the skills not to do that. The first serious ice season I had, I remember my knuckles being swollen and purplish all winter.

I think 007 did. It was his to start with. I surprised we haven't gotten any training climbing reports. Whatz up with dat????

It rained all week freezing temps are low, can you say ice. Soon

fine, fine, that'll work but i get 75% of the royalties. or one of you fine lads can over here and take care of her latent sexual needs. where's layton when ya need 'em? ken-nope it's not someone you know. she's got the annoying continuous laugh covered though! gug gug gug gug , right you are.

Hey minx is this somebody I know?

Hi, Ken. This comes from someone who has been in the Forest Service for over 30 years and has seen the shift in actions and decisions of the wildlife biologists. It's happening. So your saying that one persons says this and because they have 30 years of experience we should take this and believe it? Sorry man, your gonna have to come up with something better than that make believe some humbo jumbo hearsay like that, jeezus.

Totally agree. For those of you that don't know what a scientific paper should look like the following is sort of the basics. A scientific report should have an abstract (summary of the study), introduction (the purpose why you are performing the study), method (how you went about the study, detail of the study), results (what happened), conclusion (what can be extrapulated from the data. Newsweek or CNN or FOX News really doesn't cut it.

Oh, really? What "radically-environmental" side has the money to provide significant financial support to ANY research? Greenpeace? The Sierra Club? The research that this administration refuses to accept is funded by "radicals" such as the National Institutes of Health, the National Science Foundation, and other highly respected agencies that do not have a specific political agenda. Ideologically-driven "scientists" have infiltrated governmental departments such as the US Forest Service, and I am sure others. They are, like Jim, pushing their tree-hugger, animal-worshipper agenda from the inside. You guys were wrong on the spotted owl, weren't you? Come to find out another predator started eating the shit out of them. The logging ultimately had nothing to do with it - you worship nature and don't care that you are putting people out of work. Dumbass it was't a predator, it was in direct competiton with the Barred Owl. From what I understand the reduction of habitat forced greater competition between the two species. The Barred Owl was a better competitor hence why there was/is still a decline in the Spotted Owl numbers. So it is a combination of reduction of habitat and competition factors why they are declining. Can anybody add to this, that what I understand what is going on? Predator therory is new one to me. Also all this bullshit of "infiltrated" the governmet agencies pushing tree-hugging and animal worship makes for some dumbass conspiracy therory. You when I see you at PC and the crags and stuff like a pretty decent person who for all right have some intelligent thought in the cage upstair, but then you spew dumbass shit like this, I tend to think what a moron. I can't believe I sucked this one. These spray threads are worse than trolls, because there are people out the believe some unfounded information.

Murr I was up there in May and we didn't need crampons. Depending on what level you climb at, it is pretty easy, and not much for pro. Either solo it, or bring 4 or five cams (1-2.5 inches), I think I placed 5 peices on the whole thing. I don't know about what ledge you were talking about it still went at what felt like 5.4 .

Hey Fender4 not I am pretty sure all the wife and testicle parts won't work for Snowbyrd.

Dude we were at Brownstone not Nevermind? Good times, good , good leading again even though it was just bolts.

I am heading out right now.

That is true, I don't really want to choose between the two, but the question was which one to choose. I would say that I would choose Smiff. At the same time I ended my original post that both have good climbing for BreezyD

Sounds like convient shopping right next door.

Way to live in the past. That was last year. This year the 11worth event is in early October not late. I recommend going to both events, but if you have to choose don't base your decision on what happened last year. Damn AK gettin' sensitive and defensive like Beck was last year! I wasn't living in the past or anything, all it was a simple break down on how the two events went.

Nice job you guys, that is awesome!

Was there any caving potential?

Hey IIB there is going to be whole bunch of people over at WWI wall at Mt Si (E32) climbing this evening. Pub Club goes climbing, you might want to check that thread to see if you can get ride up.

The reason it is so small compared to others maybe becasue it is a women watch.

Dru what is that one, it looks like it would be fun?

I think organizing a breakfast is a great Idea... I will bring my 2 burrner coleman I have one that I can bring too.

Index, is my vote.

Friday was part of the Slesse conference. After about two hour of playing with Alpinfox's gyro ball thingy we decided to go caving. I was bummed that I couldn't get my fat ass past one squeeze, came close in the four or five tries, then I get tired and a little freaked. Saturday played auto mechanic and worked on the Jeep still got a little more to do, but was able to get a lot of maintenance done that needed to be. Sunday, went with Dave to Whidbey Island and rode fifty moles. It was crazy, for one, those fuckers can't see a damn thing they were all over the place and trying to get fifty moles to work together was difficult. All in all it was a good though .

Three cheers for the mASSter!!!!!