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In these post-election days of bitterness and despair on the left and victory and exhultation by the right, I am reminded of the wisdom of JFK: So, let us not be blind to our differences - - but let us also direct attention to our common interests and to means by which those differences can be resolved. And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity. For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal. - JFK, June 10, 1963 Let's all get over ourselves shall we?

No, just you.

She/He's just spreading some of that 'we're all American's, let's heal the divide' luv.

An extremely slim majority, I might add.

just said it was interesting in my experience scott, not a universal truth. :-)

I find it an interesting phenomenon that most of the time I read some back and forth rants about abortion, it's always between a bunch of men.....

As a semi-liberal, I'd say I'm in neither stage, just a bit saddened. I reckon we'll lose a lot of ground in some areas that are of particular interest to me (environment, etc) but I'm hoping the Republicans will wake up and stop writing George blank checks for everything. Their fiscal irresponsibility is hypocritical makes the Democrats look like penny pinchers.

Still a bit sensitive are we, DFA? My point being, and perhaps a bit too obscure for some, was that running away doesn't really get you away from the problem (e.g. the grass is always greener syndrome). Staying here and solving the problem and dealing with the situation at the activist level is the better solution.

If you think other countries don't have crazy, dangerous, depressing politicians and politics, you haven't lived outside of the country enough.....

Looking for recommendations for a good local (Seattle area) alpine ski shop. The wife and I are looking to buy our own boots for the first time. Don't mind paying more than, say, online as long as we get good fits, good gear, and get straight talking people. Preferably Eastside but that's not a hard and fast requirement.

would those be the blind stupid lemmings who voted for bush or the blind stupid lemmings who voted for kerry? ;-)

exactly. i kept hoping they'd do that but they never did. i was even hoping it might prompt bush to say 'we've made some mistakes but hey, here's an even *better* plan!' rather than, '4 more years of the same'.

i don't think the electorate is stupid. rather, the democrats lost the war by selecting an inferior candidate and not properly prosecuting the war of ideas. they really could have taken bush to task and produced a clearly superior plan, but they never did so (or, at least, they never articulated it clearly). they let themselves get caught up in a nasty mud slinging bout. i don't particularly like bush, but here's hoping he does a better job second time around (optimist as always)

um, didn't all those rocky mountain states go for Bush too?

interesting. thanks for that Dru!

May God grant us a better government than we're likely to get.... "There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. " Alexis de Tocqueville

I have no idea about the skiing in CO. I've only been skiing here, Tahoe, and BC. Only been to Breckenridge in the summer.

Only 2.65 million dollars......

I work with people who are involved in the whole climate change science area. Basically, I've been told that the National Center for Atmospheric Research has been downsizing the last four years because of budget cuts and that they are all pretty worried there about what will happen to climate science in this country if the chimp gets re-elected.

the real hilarity here is that i tend to vote for policies, not for parties. this means i end up voting democrat sometimes, republican other times. that means i'm a registered 'independent' which means i have to educate myself as a voter rather than blindly voting for whatever trained chimp 'my' party puts up for election. i kept an open mind about bush based on his election rhetoric but, sadly i must say, he's failed to live up to his word and has failed the classic 'sniff test' (unless you mean the coke sniff test, in which case he passed that one)....

I wouldn't mind going but sometime before or after the Thanksgiving travel madness (and for more than 4 days) ...

my only question is: why is it martial ineptitude and serial malfeasance gets you re-elected but a stained blue dress nearly gets you impeached? maybe i've been wrong all these years. maybe the american electorate really is *that* stupid and puritanical.

I think the poor bastard's headlamp batteries died and he's text messaging us. Sounds like a Joe Simpson moment!

I guess it's not a thread about wallabies....

Etched in my mind is watching him as he read the daily body counts from Vietnam.... Walter Cronkite Decries War in Iraq 6 hours ago Retired television anchorman Walter Cronkite arrive at CBS's 75th ...More... SANTA BARBARA, Calif. - Veteran newsman Walter Cronkite said Americans aren't any safer because of the U.S.-led war on Iraq. "The problem, quite clearly, is we have excited the Arab world, the Muslim world, to take up arms against us," Cronkite said Saturday, adding that this excitement far exceeds the anger that existed among terrorist groups prior to the war. Cronkite made the comments after receiving an award from the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation during the group's gala at Fess Parker's Doubletree Resort. He said the Nov. 2 presidential election will be one of the most important since perhaps the Civil War because it comes on the heels of a drastic change in U.S. foreign policy and a ballooning national debt. The war on Iraq marked the first time the United States has conducted a pre-emptive invasion and occupation of another country, he noted. Asked what it will take to achieve peace, Cronkite said, "It certainly has to include, as a major factor, diplomacy." The 87-year-old retired news anchor, dubbed "the most trusted man in America," was given the foundation's Distinguished Peace Leadership Award for "courageous leadership in the cause of peace." Past recipients include the Dalai Lama, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Jacques Cousteau and Jordan's King Hussein.