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Yes, the Deschutes is a great river. Good floats closer too, near Maupin. If you go overnight, bring a fishing pole... lots of rainbow trout. Thank you for allow river rodent to post

Forget everything posted previously. Washington is not the state to raft in, go to Idaho and Utah. The snake river, hells canyon, in Idaho, is best, so is the Grande Ronde, in WA/OR. Try the salmon river in idaho. Many sections, but of course the middle fork of the salmon is best. Try the Green in Utah, desolation canyon, cataract canyon, labyrinth canyon. And the Grand canyon in AZ, also colorado river in Utah. What you need is a hot summer, warm water. Long easy flat water, with big rapids thrown in. Forget western Washington.

Warrior is a fun day climb. You leave the trail and climb up a chute on the west side. Then there is a col between the two peaks of warrior. The one to the left, north is fairly easy, and you follow a short ridge to the top. The right one, south peak, is harder. I would call it class 4-5.0 and I used a rope. There is a short, but really vertical pitch, and you will want to protect yourself there. It isn't hard, but I sure would not call it class 3. Have fun.

"No one died when Clinton lied"

sailor dude, how can you generalize against all democrats by saying some oppose the patriot act? Out here in Idaho, I deal with right wing crazys like you on a daily basis (unless I visit Moscow). Its Republicans that oppose the patriot act here, like senator Craig, Butch Otter (a nnodder), Gov Kempthorne, and your buddy Randy Weaver. They all oppose it because of our loss of freedoms. Do you really think we need the patriot act, or is it possible we already had the laws needed to keep our country safe, and it was in effect just incompetence by our gov. agencies? And do you feel safer with Tom Ridge sitting behind a shiny new desk in DC???

yah, eastern wa rocks!

The quinault/enchanted valley route is a great hike. Once you hit enchanted valley, it is open country, with great views of the burke range to the north. Most of the elevation gain is right at the end past white creek with a 2-3 mile climb. The drive and hike are both longer, so you will not save any time, but you start at about the same elevation now that the dose road is out.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah just open the faquin road!

[quote What's your point? My point? I know Ted, and you're no Ted.

Hey Flat Ted, Kerry went to war then came home and tried to stop war. Bush avoided war, and is now trying to start wars. Whats ur point??

liberal vs. conservative

BTW JDJR, I have been using the dose trailhead since 1983, often every week at times, to access the high country quickly. It has been the most used trailhead by me and my friends. I have done many climbs of Anderson, Anderson-Eel glacier traverses, Mt. Constance, Inner Constance, Mt. Mystery. I have accessed cross country routes through Anderson pass, Constance pass, and Hayden pass. I have done one day trail runs from dose to Graves creek, and from dose to Whiskey bend. I have not used this trailhead much in the last couple of years other that a bicycle trip or two, or to access Constance. The route is now long enough to deter a person like me with limited time to hike/climb, vs. the long drive from where I now live. I find it odd that someone who had only accessed this trailhead once, has such a strong opinion on it. An that from someone I assume was a one time seasonal NPS employee (camp john david jr being the seasonal training center for Olympic)

City of Rocks is really remote. But from Mountain Home, it is a reasonable drive.

I don't know why this is such a difficult decision. We are talking about restoring an existing road. If this was a proposed new road into a previously roadless area, I think most here would be opposed to it. But this is traditional road access to a remote campground and ranger station. In my opinion, this trail head is the best access to the best area of the olympics. The trails, and climbs from dose are many, and the wilderness is still very remote. I have always felt that this trailhead was the safest to park in, with the lowest incidence of car clouting, and large enough for the amount of users. Where do you park now at the washout? Three or four cars and that's it. The environmentalists are wacko. Anyone knows who has been there that the short road reroute will not damage the wilderness. WTF are they thinking? So we need the road. I want to spend as much time in the high country as I can. The dose trailhead is significantly higher in elevation than the washout, and I want that headstart into the mountains. ONP has a bad track record of removing roads. When my dad was a kid, he used to drive right to the base of the flapjack lakes trail, and ascend directly to the lake. Now it is an 8 mile flat trail. The olympic hot springs road on the elwha drainage is closed to vehicles too now. I remember driving there, and liked the head start I got into the high country. Who cares who is supporting this road reconstruction, even if it is real estate intrests. Sometimes causes overlap.

Nice TR. The south brother is a great quick climb in the olympics. It is fairly easy in the winter too, snow conditions permitting. I remember winter climbs of it and the most difficult part was laying in the tent for those increadibly long winter nights. Is the snow pack really that little?

Well there's a wild turkey with 16 chicks living just beyond my back yard. Had all 16 at once, so this arkansas women is a bit inferior to a turkey.

"If he had been a thin snaffle, things would have been a lot worse"

Yes, you are right there, he is going to be a big help. But my experience working for the NPS has led me to believe that to be the exception rather than the rule. Good to see Stefan put on staff!

No big deal. I climbed Mt Hood, and my dog rode a snowboard down.

Never seen a thread moved to spray soooooo fast. Was this "True Spray"? or the overzealous control of a John Ashcroft huggin moderator?

With all the bad weather they are having, he must have just missed it. I wonder if he took a dog up with him??

from EverestNews.com "A Korean climber has died descending from the Summit of Everest from the North side. A Japanese woman has also died descending from the North side of Everest. Shoto Ota was with the Adventure Guides QOMOLANGMA EXPEDITION 2004. After the summit she lost consciousness coming down and died. She was 63. Other Korean climbers and their Sherpa have been attempting to save the life of the Korean climber who died, and are now unaccounted for. On the South side of Everest, a small team of Gustavo Lisi (Argentina) and Nils Antezana (Bolivia) attempted the Summit with 2 Sherpas. Some of the members summited, but Dr. Nils Antezana got into trouble on the way down. The guide returned from the Summit but then needed to be helped down by the Pemb Sherpa from the Irish expedition. The 2 Sherpas returned late from the Summit, but are safe in camp 4. Dr. Nils Antezana is still believed to be up on Everest. His family asks for a plea of help from whoever can. "THERE MUST BE A SEARCH PARTY SENT OUT FOR HIM!!!!"

yup, britney is on the way out, annabelle is in

Being full time would not have made a difference, these guys are the best right now. It seems it is just time for the NPS to recognize what they have by making them full time.

Not asking for billions. Mt Rainier hire permanants anyway. Maybe they should scale down the ill percieved need for law enforcement and hire full time climbing rangers instead. They do more than just rescue folks, they work the high camps, maintenance, route condition reports, prevent resource damage. Do you support running this country with volunteers and minimum wage like your buddy gw?