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Sheep and goats are especially bad as grazers go, because they pull up plants by the roots. Cattle and horses nip off the grass, but don't pull it up, so it can grow back. Greece was once completely forested. They cut all the oak trees down to build ships. Then they grew wheat. Eventually the soil deteriorated and they couldn't grow grain anymore. Then they grazed cattle. The forage became too poor for cattle. Finally they grazed goats. The goats left the land as the rocky semi-desert you see today. Same thing happened in the Middle East and in North Africa, for example, Carthage.

Trask executes heel hook with aid from fat blonde.

Do we have any folks coming who can play guitar? It would be cool to make some music.

Doc says the patella is not broken. If it were I wouldn't even be able to walk at all without severe pain. Take two Aleve twice a day, ice it, elevate it and don't do anything that makes it hurt. Gave me a radiology order which I am to use to get an x-ray if it doesn't improve in a couple days. Okay, Doc!

That's way cool. Rather than bouncing off the walls, they climb the walls.

We now know the identity of ExtremoMtnDude. It's John Elway.

Well- did you say something? Or were you afraid to hurt their feeling?

That looks like a goose.

Must have something to do with the rule against smoking weed in class.

We broke Iraq, now we own it. Let's fix it. The best we could hope for would be for Iraq to be like Turkey- Muslim, but democratic and secular.

Uhh, While the Mounties definitely have their pros and cons which have been argued ad nauseum here, the one thing that you CANNOT say is that it is expensive! I think it's just a little over $200 for a 9 month class! That will buy you one day with Mountain Madness. There are a total of 11 days of field trips in the Intermediate Course (Rock: 5; Ice: 4; Winter/Mixed: 2).

Dwayner is pulling head by a nose 34/32. Come on, Dwayner! Come on Dwayner! Come on, move your bloomin' arse!

A toy Yoda. How low can you get?

In the last week about half of Spam has been coming from people wanting to sell this new illegal product.

Interesting.

I kind of think the families will be off by the themselves. I would if I were bringing a kid.

Yes, it is kid friendly. There is a group planning to get together for a "kids ropeup", including David Parker. Look for that phrase. There's a couple threads somewhere about it.

Sometimes you can't protect your foreign contacts. They end up in a noose.

Well now. That really proves she is your EX girlfriend, doesn't it? A clean break.

No, you don't when you can get some guy to do the driving.

Alpinfox, you da man!

14 keys. I have multiple rings on a biner so I can leave behind the ones I don't need when I go climbing.

When I was a kid they were still setting bon fires at Glacier Point in Yosemite and pushing it over the cliff. What did they call that? The rain of fire?

Did you guys have any ice screws with you? You are lucky that fall you took wasn't worse than it was. Looks like you have one hell of a fun climb, though.

So back to the question of trees filling in the meadows. It seems to be a natural process. Meadows are usually old lakes that have filled in with sediments, are they not? Sometimes they form when glaciers or semi-permanent snowfields retreat. Some meadows are man made. The native Americans used to set fires down by present day Fort Lewis every year to keep the trees from growing in so they would have good hunting. The trees are filling in now and rare flower species are threatened with extinction.