COL._Von_Spanker

Fern Runnin' it out.

quote: Originally posted by Fence Sitter: there were a few waterfalls forming up at heliotrope ridge, but they were so disconnected to teh rock, you couldn't even hook without a chunk comming off...but who knows what the next few weeks may bring?... You were in the wrong area man. We hit up a 1/4 pitch waterfall and it was super fun. 100 yards from the tent baby.

quote: Originally posted by remlec: JAT: Before we judge all the "hicks from the sticks" and especially since we're in hunting season, I've noticed during a lot of past experiences that there are a lot of wanna be Rambo types from the city that go out and just need SOMETHING to shoot at. Still rednecks, just where they come from. A lot of past experiences huh? I just call it like I see it.

Jump back jive turkey

quote: Originally posted by erik: its my turn......my turn.....it is MY turn!!!!!!!!!!!! Tacoma? though I do love the occasional trip to T-Town, the drive is a little rough on a weeknight.

quote: Originally posted by Dave Schuldt: Lurker Jeff Hansel requests the Eastlake Zoo. Easy access to I-5. they hav3e shuffle board which was a big hit last time. If Jeff Hansel, the uber-lurker says Eastlake Zoo, than the zoo it is.

Of course there's always Ice to climb if yer willing to travel, but I hear a ticket to antarctica is pretty pricey.

Why did'nt you come crag with us sucka? You missed out on the goods.

ICE

Beware of thread drift. Seriously though people, what do you got and whats yer dream mt car? I am always tying to decide whats better rally like performance or bogger-like clearance, as both can be very handy at times.

They have trained nutrea assasins in Nawlins that drive around in the back of pickups and plunk'em into the water.

used mine last weekend. They feel great, not too thick, but still warm. The leather is nice as are the pads on the fingers. My hands still got wet, but this was probably due to sweat. And they are very soft on the inside.

quote: Originally posted by mattp: quote:Originally posted by iain: 4runners have a lot of frou-frou crap that I don't need... Is there a car on the market that doesn't? All I want is something that drives like a car but has enough clearance to drive up a poorly maintained logging road, and I gotta buy some kind of all-wheel-drive SUV or sub-SUV and it's going to have electric windows, automatic coffee holder, driving lights, and a 5-disc CD changer. My sub is so stripped down it doesn't even have the right side view mirror. No power anything, nothing special other than a self installed CD player, (somtime I put in my 2 McCauley 12's with an 800 watt amp, but this gets in the way when full of gear). Cub holder over the stereo sux...A total pain in the arse.

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: quote:Originally posted by thelawgoddess: quote:Originally posted by Greg W: [QBHe'll be carrying unloaded per Washington State Law, which requires weapons to be unloaded during transport (unless you have a CWP and you're carrying). yeah, we all know how law-abiding some of them gun-totin' pricks are. I was directly addressing the Col.'s actions, honey. In my brief interactions with him, he seems like a law-abiding type dude. For a Subaru, I would suggest a 9mm which rests quite handily underneath the driver's seat and is easily accessible; or so I've heard . Greg W[/QB] I need on of these And one of these...

'97 Subaru Legacy Wagon with custom bullet hole. The gun rack is soon to be installed. Does anyone know if you can put a gun rack on the rear side window of a legacy?

quote: Originally posted by JayB: Seems like that's sort of endemic to climbing discussions in general. No one wants to come off like a melodramatic wanker, but even when taking that into account, I'm still amazed at how seldom anyone brings up fear, doubt, apprehension, misgivings, etc. when discussing climbing. Confronting those feelings and overcoming them, or at least coming to terms with them, seems to be at least as much a part of climbing as the rest of it. For most folks these are all part of the reality of climbing at some point, but they do seem to get glossed over most of the time. Seems like more often that not while *climbing* , I'm scared as hell. Even when rapping of bolts. Too much coffee I guess. [ 11-01-2002, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: COL. Von Spanker ]

quote: Originally posted by Retrosaurus: quote:Originally posted by Retrosaurus: Water ice ain't water ice until it's vertical.... Yes, obviously a facetious remark. But the real message was: quote: ...Unless it is VERY thin or actively falling down, water ice requires very little in the way of skill or technique to succeed, and most will be able to bumble their way through it. Matt, Col Von to Spank the Monkey: Let's make a few reasonable assumptions about a climber new to Waterfall Ice climbing: 1) They are a rock climber with enough experience to safely arrange their own lead protection and belay anchors at the 5.9/5/10- level. 2) They have read and understood the appropriate texts on Waterfall Ice Climbing. Just how many days of instruction do you think it would take for this person to safely lead a WI3 waterfall? Answer: 1-2 days. In my book, this translates to "very little in the way of skill or technique". Any one with less that 1&2 should probable work at improving at technical rock before tackling Waterfall Ice. If you have a problem with my "tone", (which we all know is the real issue here,) maybe you need to work toward associating only with persons that are better at blowing sunshine up your ass. Sunshine up the ass is the best. That's why I bring my mom climbing.

quote: True on fat WI5. But get on long, steep, bad ice, or WI6 where poorly consolidated ice is an accepted part of the game, and protection is not always a screw because sometimes there just is not enough solid ice to place it in and you must use other more creative techniques to protect the route. The game can become very deep. Now we're .[/QB] What techniques do you use to protect when the ice gets that shitty/thin? Have you ever used one of those long spike lookin' things (pound in screw out) designed for frozen dirt and bad ice?

quote: Originally posted by erik: quote:Originally posted by Dr Flash Amazing: Talk about sport climbing hard, and what constitutes "hard" sport routes, and you're an egotistical prick. Talk about ice climbing hard and what makes a "hard" ice climb, and you're respected for your bold opinions. Fuck off, alpine nut-swingers (y'all know who ya is). hey grams, whats your hardest sport route?????/ i listen to ya! Ohhh Erik, Your such a good listener.

Jay, I don't disagree that vertical Ice is extremely difficult. I think the most burn that I have ever felt was TR'ing an overhanging 'schrund. It's about tone, not content. The traverse in my garage is is G9. Super scary. You got rotten ice, i got rotten wood.

quote: Originally posted by forrest_m: Is “verticle” a new term for ice that feels vertical when you are on it but is actually only about 75 degrees? Its like 'lite' and 'light'.

It's all about the benjamins. A climbers gotta score the scrilla somehow.

quote: Originally posted by mattp: Mitch says he didn't mean to put anybody else down but he did say that the climbs that many of us may feel are quite worthy are not ice climbing and take no skill. He corrected that, by saying what he meant was that lesser climbs don't put led in his pencil, but the initial statements were indeed a little over the top. You may go back to work now. Matt, you are ever the voice of reason. You should be a lawyer. CC doesn't count as work?

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: I've taken an over 70 year old ice climbing. He didn't seem to have much of a problem keeping up. I dont think much skill is needed until you are leading WI4 to be honest. You could bash and thrash your way up anything easier than that. Beckey doesn't count.

quote: Originally posted by Retrosaurus: Unless it is VERY thin or actively falling down, water ice requires very little in the way of skill or technique to succeed... Cavey, do you think this is accurate? Again I think that skill and technique are relative to the individual. I'm down with fonnix, but I think you are referring to reading comprehsnsion, so after reading this I'm gonna take my 61 year old dad ice climbing, because it requires very little in the way of skill or technique. I hope his high blood pressure and bad heart don't pose a problem.