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That's a real good link, however, I don't know how you can argue against the right of immanent domain. Without it we would have no interstate or probably other highways. As far as your links goes, it makes it sound like there was no due process and Minnesota took the land. That's not the way that works in case you are unfamiliar with it, maybe you should research due process as it relates to immanent domain, and it is a process - it's not theft even if you choose to call it that. As far as the benefit of having a pipeline, I would imagine that folks in that area are happier in the cold assed winters and paying less for gas at the pump. Surely you don't think that the state would or should do a project like that? It's high risk, and states generally try to stay out of high risk, even when they are high reward. They come in after the fact and regulate the price. I think you'd have a better point discussing them having been caught with their hand in the cookie jar (this time was a $25 million dollar fine). Let me do your research for you to strengthen what I think your point is. Check this link. CBS STORY OF THEFT AND BETRAYAL or this one THEFT THEFT THEFT link or if you really wanted to whine you could bring up the elder Cocks having a partner (Marshall) who was dicking Anna Nicole Smith when he was a wrinkly old prune. I thought both 3 of 7 and 5 of 7 would have been better to make your point. "6 of 7 6. EMINENT DOMAIN Although highly diversified, Koch Industries' vast network of oil and gas pipelines remains the company's core business and main source of revenue. The exact size of their pipeline network is not known, but some estimate that Koch Industries operates anywhere between 35,000 and 50,000 miles of pipelines between Texas and Canada—enough plumbing to wrap around the globe twice or zigzag between New York and Los Angeles 15 times. How did the Kochs manage to build up a pipeline network of this magnitude? By getting the government to use its tyrannical powers of eminent domain forcibly seize private property on Koch Industries' behalf. As far as libertarians are concerned, eminent domain is a socialist tyranny straight out of the Leninist playbook, as it recognizes the government as the real owner of all land and vests it with the power to expropriate private property for alleged public good. At the most fundamental level, libertarians believe that eminent domain invalidates the notion of private property rights, threatening not just prosperity, but freedom. Charles Koch is clear on this. "Countries that clearly define and protect individual private property rights stimulate investment and grow," he writes in his book The Science of Success. "Those that threaten and confiscate private property lose capital and decline." But not all property rights are created equal. Koch Industries oil pipeline recently built in Minnesota shows that Charles Koch does not see an is anything wrong with the government confiscating private property, as long as he stands to make a profit. Completed in 2008, the 304-mile line now carries crude oil from the Canadian border to a Koch Industries refinery near the Twin Cities area via a two-foot-wide pipe. Company PR execs pitched the pipeline as a public benefit project, as it would increase Minnesota's gasoline supply. But the 1,000-plus landowners who were forced to handover their private property so that Koch Industries could run its pipeline didn't quite see it that way. "People's rights were violated, and they never got their due process," a farmer whose fields were going to be cut in two by the pipeline told a newspaper in 2007. "It's wrong. People's property is one of the most important things to their livelihood." Thanks for the link, although it's a lot of opinion. Like whining about Cock buying a ship from a socialist country (1 of 7) and naming it after his mother...uhhhh, sure. BF deal. Use my links next time you try and make this point, those are real facts about real theft. I don't know anyone who supports that kind of bullshit and I'm glad they got caught. I think there should have been jail time served but I wasn't there and don't know the facts (maybe the prosecutor determined that a conviction would have been impossible) so who are you specifically calling a hypocrite? Was that me or the Cocks? For them it is all about money, and they'd stab your mother in the back for a buck. However, if these dickheads start collecting some of the money that the govt took from them via Social Security, as much as I dislike the Obama tax cuts that gave these guys lower tax rates than they had while our country continues to go deeper in dept that we are borrowing on the world market and will have to pay back, I would support their right to get THEIR money (and it is their money that the Gov't took away for Social Security, not the federal reserves) back. Enjoy the links, later dude!

Complaining about "big government"? Like these guys? Thomas Jefferson observed: "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to every one a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." And James Madison: "That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest." And Samuel Adams: "The Utopian schemes of leveling, and a community of goods, are as visionary and impractical, as those which vest all property in the Crown, are arbitrary, despotic, and in our government unconstitutional." Uhhh, whatever.

Come up with something better. As the government takes that $ away from us out of our paychecks EACH month with the promise that we will get it back later, you would have to have a twisted brain to believe that you are somehow cheating the gov't or being a hypocrite when in fact you are only getting YOUR OWN money back. The more you pay in the more you get back. It's YOUR OWN DAMN money, NOT the governments.

Whoh dude....I'm not sayin....interesting how many phone numbers have been clipped at the bottom of it though:-)

It doesn't appear that "Menwhomakelovewithshopvacs.com" has been snapped up as an internet address yet. Jump on it.

Attention whore at work. End of story. Unless you want to feed into the dudes craziness. In which case, you are on you own. I can't listen to Rush. Still, I don't give a shit if someone apes an Asian accent. I've done it. We probably all do. I imitate the Ebonics language, Italian, Mexican, Arabians and the Canadians ...eh?! ....on a regular basis as well...we all do. How can you tell a joke these days in character without offending someone. Not racism. His point is "WHERE DID HU'S TRANSLATION GO?! " Did they black out the internet? What did he say? That's the point. PS, I changed the offensive title for you.

SHAUN WHITE ISN'T ON THE LIST? [video:youtube]

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On the use of chalk: LOL, at least you didn't call out "CHALK IS AID" Drew! Nice find, and thanks for sharing it. Can anyone tell me where the hard part is suppose to be? It must be the camera work ...does anyone else think that it doesn't look that hard from the vid.

Noshing vegetables is overrated.

No shit? Pull the oak?! Holy mother of ....we're saved! Tim listed it in and earlier version of the Portland Rock climbs book as Wankers Columns if you want to find it easy. Grab his book and find the directions and Bob's yer Uncle! I'll most likely screw it up but I'll take a stab at it since you seem so damn sincere and the poison oak eats me alive. http://www.portlandhikersfieldguide.org/wiki/Labyrinth_Loop_Hike Read this about the Labrinth loop hike. Park by the lake, walk East up the road to the 2nd, maybe the 3rd trail on the left. It's a loop, if you jump on the first trailhead going left, you'll see it but it's the long way. Head up it and within about mile, a short time after you cross the creek on a wooden bridge, you'll see these cliffs. Anothe verion here: IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SEE THIS LINK ON THE FIRST LINK HERE YA GO ROCK ON! Anyone want to give him the better directions so that he doesn't get lost? LOL! It's good stuff to climb on, even wet, Sat might be a good day for a hike like this with a lap or 2 as there is a 30% chance of rain. If you screw it up and can't find it based on my shit directions, you'll have a great hike and some spectacular gorge views! http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=45.7176863579072&lon=-121.30416870117188&site=pdt&smap=1&unit=0&lg=en&FcstType=text Rock on yerself!

Nice point jb. I don't know if you caught it, but Hosni Murbak has just recently sent all of his family to live in the US. Wife, kids...everyone. What does that tell anyone? All those many billions of foreign aid $ we send there to keep the authorities thumb on the little people aren't doing much except anger and alienate those folks. Murbak has been in charge for 30 years.....30 years, think that over. Say if Geo Bush was in charge for 30 years here: and everytime one of ya cracked a joke or bitched on the guy you were hauled off to jail. Ouch.

Wow! of the 22 different ropes your link lists, the cheapest one is $168. Nice stats though, but given that most climbers have discounted ever buying a Petzl rope, they really only list 2 brands.

I thought this was going to discuss the recent shocking Seymore Hersh accusations about General McChrystal. "Hersh claimed that McChrystal and current members of the special operations community are members of the Knights of Malta and Opus Dei...." http://www.military.com/news/article/mcchrystal-claims-of-crusade-on-islam-untrue.html It would fit right in with our last born again President and explain some as yet unexplainable things that occurred in Bush's reign. Refresher note: Hersh is not noob piker - it was he that broke the Mai Lai massacre story that had a huge impact on our country. McChrystal has denied the accusations, but Hersh says he has proof. This discourse is not going to be over soon I suspect, although it interestingly hasn't seen mainstream media coverage. As my post is going out there is public, let me just say that these words in no way suggests anything rude or mean about our masters the Illuminati (or whomever these backroom guys really are), or their obvious backroom dealings and control over this and other countries. Peace out:-)

DAMN GOOD POINT! The sharpness of worn biners has been linked to cut ropes due to falls (usually on draws left fixed first bolts) on sport routes. I wore down my DMM Sentinel from rapping on sandstone/conglomerate out at Coethedral but it was nice and smooth still. I could see the grooves getting somewhat deep so I retired it (mostly). Weight 56 grams vs 52 for the Vaporlock vs 50 for the Attache (as I see it on the REI page). I suspect that the same thing will occur here. Dude will see it and go "shit", and not use it, but for the reasons you note it will have a significantly shorter life than the phatty Attache.

HUH!? anyway..... John suggested I read the Barry Sears book "the Zone diet". I am starting in on the read and want to get to 150+ range from my current 177. Wife being on a 3 week vacation helps to start cause I can eat what I want without offending her. Weight loss is not a goal but a by-product of eating right and working out. I've let some of my opposing muscles damn near die off and those are priorities. This becomes clear on the weight machines. The lat pull down, I was pulling the entire stack of weight, with not a single plate left: while the opposite motion, the overhead press, I had like a single plate and my shoulder was hurting doing it. Need work on that bigtime. I'll be walking with a heavy pack to train for approaches too. Good call John!

Huh? Well, that and it's NOT Spokane. In either case, as the newz article notes we have already learned that the Moscow bombing was the video games fault. Not Moscow Idaho jb, or as you say we would have heard more of it I'm sure. Now lets all continue on associating the tea party with the boogie man like Tvrash up there. Have fun! Regards to all

That one was Activisions fault. "Call of Duty" should be banned they say. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/russian-state-media-assails-activision-call-duty-wake-airport-terrorist-attack/ Here's another similar (older) thing in Russia, 8 Jews stabbed "because" kid was addicted to playing "Postal". http://www.cheatcc.com/ccc_newsserver/Article.aspx?PostID=95464

Not to minimise the actual act, but I wonder how much of this debate and bad feelings is caused by the fact that dude is getting paid to do this thing. It is a commercial enterprise. I use to see Skinner catch a lot of flak partially due to him continually trying to commercialize his product.

What the Red Bull team did last year pissed off the locals due to what they perceive as local ethics being violated. I can't speak to what abortion they might be or might not be planning this year.

meh, they did an OJ on his skin color as well. Looks like either sunshine, photoshoppe or both. Here's your before and after OJ shots. Here's another photoshoppe of that photo: Some more of interest? Hairy Bush Space Aliens back Bush

takes on the TSA (first time?) for the WIN. LOL! [video:youtube] "Don't touch me, do NOT touch me" he says. Good for him. Thanks for your efforts dude~! http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/phil_mocek_tsa_checkpoint_trial.php Just found not guilty of all 4 charges. I suspect that at the point that they want to check his bags Tvrash, who claims to be a civil libertarian (at least on paper) would be in tears and wailing as he was begging for mercy! LOL!

Anything worth saying once is worth saying twice:-) Per this article it looks like MEC will have something out soon. http://www.outdoorsica.com/blogs/my_first_gear_blog/2010/nov/18/more_on_polartecs_new_neoshell_and_why_its_good_news_for_consumers/ Dane, can you spend a moment telling us of your experience? How you got a sample or what you did with it that so convinced you? Thanks for the heads up on it, I'd never heard of it. _____________________________________________________________ Real interesting story about this company (Malden Mills) for anyone unfamiliar. https://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/45991 Sadly, if you are looking to invest, they are not a public company. They filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy relief in 2007 -- its second time in about five years -- and subsequently liquidated through Chapter 7. Malden Mills' assets were acquired by newly created company Polartec, LLC, owned by private equity Chrysalis Capital Partners. Expect an IPO once the market solidify's and they get this new material out in the marketplace.

Shit, now I wished I'd written Red Bull the first go round. Who saw part 2 coming? These f*ing people must be mental.

Geography?