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More craziness:-)

It's got to be the same as it ever was for you Pat, you're a genius and everyone else is an idiot or an asshat...or both. How'd I do?

It's a floor wax....AND a desert topping..... found and used in * as an industrial solvent and coolant, * in nuclear power plants, * by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels, * by elite athletes to improve performance, * in the production of Styrofoam, * in biological and chemical weapons manufacture, * in the development of genetically engineering crops and animals, * as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant, * in so-called "family planning" or "reproductive health" clinics, * as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs, * as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air conditioning compressor operation, * in cult rituals, * by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members' families (although surprisingly, many members recently have contacted DHMO.org to vehemently deny such use), * by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches, * by members of Congress who are under investigation for financial corruption and inappropriate IM behavior, * by the clientele at a number of bath houses in New York City and San Francisco, * historically, in Hitler's death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran, * in World War II prison camps in Japan, and in prisons in China, for various forms of torture, * during many recent religious and ethnic wars in the Middle East, * by many terrorist organizations including al Quaeda, * in community swimming pools to maintain chemical balance, * in day care centers, purportedly for sanitary purposes, * by software engineers, including those producing DICOM programmer APIs and other DICOM software tools including DICOM routers, * by popular computer science professors, * by the semi-divine King Bhumibol of Thailand and his many devoted young working girls in Bangkok, * by the British Chiropractic Association and the purveyors of the bogus treatments that the BCA promotes, * by commodities giant Trafigura in their well-publicized and widely-known toxic-waste dumping activities in Ivory Coast, * in animal research laboratories, and * in pesticide production and distribution.

You can borrow them if you promise not to drop them all in the poison oak this time! LOL They showed up today looking all too perfect and I'm planning on soiling their pretty little asses soon:-) THANKS COLD FINGER! Woot, that was fast! Anytime Bryan!

Wait...?! To clarify, you just got rid of that Gri Gri2 you JUST bought like a week ago?

Thanks for the report and offering it to me as a loaner Chad. I like that it's lighter than my Cinch!

Nice Marc! Last weekend I was recovering from the weekend before at Smith. Was lucky enough to go out with 2 of the very finest gentlemen. Stan and Gent. Good times. Till I banana peeled on a snow covered rock and popped my shoulder. Owww! Still hurts (wahhh wahhh wahh) Gent was getting over a massive cold. He climbed well for being toast, and he gave it to both Stan and I and we were down for a week:-) It was nice in the sunshine as we started the day Friday warming up. Stan lead a couple of the 5.11's and then thought he should try something harder. Coming down off of Churning in the Wake, he shook off my compliment by saying, nah, I hung a few times. I've never climbed 5.13 so I was impressed and told him so. "Nah", he reply's, "Rudys boy Drew led this on his 4th or 5th try and he's 10 years old", then he laughed. It came as no surprise to me that lil kids are outclimbing me on anything. His kids, who didn't come this trip, are a joy to hang around and they both outclimb me on sport or plastic:-). His youngest is @ 9 now. Lil kids, certainly Stan and Dales 2, have so much joy on rock that it's just infectious and fun to watch! I had run into Rudy and his boy lapping Wartleys once, I think the lil one was like 6 then! It warmed up enough that this guy peeled and had a nice run up this route right next to us with a hang or 3. Even the fat old guys got some mileage as the fingers got loose in the sunshine. Next day we wake up to snow. Stan says lets hike up to the Squaw and climb it. We hiked for quite a bit in deepening snow, drifts to 12", and the wind was a tad sideways with a few white flakes mixed in and I was suggesting that an R-X rated climb should be reserved for better weather. This was partially caused by the guidebook suggesting that the best way down was to downclimb, not rap. Yeah, it snowed all day long. Actually, we were within 200 feet of the Squaw and it wasn't visible until we got closer. The clouds eased some and we got some shots, but it basically snowed most of the day. Stan and Gent hiked on up, and Stan looked like he was going to free solo it for a while. The hike back would have been uneventful had I not greased off. The highlight after that was Kelly Rice and Tom showed up at Stans house and she has an Ultra sonic machine so she such a sweetheart that she does my shoulder, which was excruciating. The she works on Stans back and Toms Achilles tendon (he bikes competitively and thats a side thing they get) They released me from hanging around waiting for them for the next 4 days saying that they'd catch a ride with Kelly and Tom (yeahhhhh!) and I drove home the next day unable to even reach the car radio with my right hand. Sucks to get old, but it's going to happen to you all too if it hasn't already. Of course, my wife cracks up on hearing all this and calls me an old man then rubs the old man lineament on the shoulder to help out:-) Ciao all!

...You need to warn him off eating the yellow icicles!

Marbles? I would have guessed Oysters. Looks real cool though...in several senses:-)

I'll take them!

Good stuff djdan ! Messner was a badass of the century as JH noted above. He shares that distinction with some others as well. Everyone knows about the no O2 thing, but Messners free solo first ascent of what later turned out to be a very long and involved 5.9 in the Dolomites was nothing short of earthshaking. Of course, this in no way lessens the fact that Raindawg is still an ass.....

On the money. It all depends on your personal thoughts and baggage how you feel about this act. Certainly not a hero by common definition of the word. Much like Tre Arrow up on the ledge. Go Tre Go! The folk "hero" was called a "Hero" a lot until he got convicted for burning up logging and cement trucks. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/tre_arrow_says_oregon_halfway.html The penalty seemed excessive. To like everyone. However, if it had been your truck he torched, would he still have been a "hero" to you? I can assure you that kind of reasoning could extend to every vehicle on the planet. Even your Prius. Would you then feel he was a Hero? Or only when he was destroying someone else's stuff? I can give you my answer, but let me just say that us old people have different standards than self-centered blowhards like Pat Gallagher, who have very little life experience and thus tend to be a touch screwed up in the head, as his posts usually indicate.

The courts will soon rule, but whats your take? Essential "tool" for the FBI or intrusive and illegal monitoring without a search warrant? In the old days a search warrant was issued by a judge before they tapped your phone or did something like this, and is suppose to be fast and easy if there is just cause. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110303/D9LNEKJ00.html WASHINGTON (AP) - A community college student who says he's never done anything that should attract the interest of federal law enforcement officials filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the FBI for secretly putting a GPS tracking device on his car. Yasir Afifi, 20, says a mechanic doing an oil change on his car in October discovered the device stuck with magnets between his right rear wheel and exhaust. They weren't sure what it was, but Afifi had the mechanic remove it and a friend posted photos of it online to see whether anyone could identify it. Two days later, Afifi says, agents wearing bullet-proof vests pulled him over as he drove away from his apartment in San Jose, Calif., and demanded their property back........ ..............The federal appeals court in the Washington circuit where Afifi's case was filed ruled in August that the collection of GPS data amounts to a government "search" that required a warrant. The Obama administration asked the court to change its ruling, calling the decision "vague and unworkable" and arguing that investigators will lose access to a tool they now use "with great frequency." The lawsuit says the agents who showed up to collect the device were "hostile," threatening to charge Afifi if he didn't immediately cooperate and refusing his request to have a lawyer present. The suit also says agents showed they knew private details about his life, such as which restaurants he dined at, the new job he'd just obtained and his plans to travel abroad." ......click link for entire story and not just snippets reposted....This story has been out there for quite some time

..as the pain in my fingers starts to subside, I am beginning to feel that training hard might be possible again in the future at sometime....maybe I'll be able to have a tick list soon! Planning on a short red rocks trip and a Yosemite trip. Hoping for good weather for both is my concern. Plenty of good and challenging routes.

I see that the cost to buy (a home) is getting to @ the cost to rent in many cities. Assuming a 95% fill rate for rentals, that indicates to me that the bottom has been reached in those places. (this has NOT occurred in PDX). Given that there is usually an over reaction and things will continue down beyond what they should based on folks perceived notion that because they just went down then it is a bad investment, they will continue for a bit on the downward side. But as Larry says, it can be a good time for average folks, like his Grandmother, if they are paying attention, to get in the game. Larry, if you want to look at getting into this game, with no money down with nothing more than just your good looks and strong right arm wielding a hammer or saw, I'd recommend revising a few gems of yesteryear. Look for the hardcover versions, which can often be bought for $.01/ea plus $3.99 shipping. For many years of go-go real estate, this was not possible: but it's back and available to do now. In this first example, Allen "makes a bet with himself that he can train three persons, literally "from the unemployment line," to acquire a residential property within 90 days and put $5000 cash in the bank" . http://www.amazon.com/Challenge-Robert-G-Allen/dp/0671526189/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1298735144&sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/How-Buy-Manage-Rental-Properties/dp/0671644238/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298734912&sr=1-1-fkmr1#reader_0671644238 http://www.amazon.com/Build-Real-Estate-Money-Machine/dp/0910019428/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1298735031&sr=1-4 It's not about being rich, or smart. It's about being brave and committing to a course of action. Lots of folks read this stuff, but never take the first step in doing it. Anyhow, we have some big assed shit hitting the fan all at once right now in this country. 1st, Prices will rise on about everything. I have an ounce of Gold bet that gas will hit $5.00 a gallon before the end of 2012. Look at the prices of anything though: food, cars, clothes. It's all going up. Partially driving that will be the Yuan/dollar moments that our government has insisted on and that will continue to be occurring. Next, the massive US debt is going to drive us into the shit hole. The Chinese appear to have stopped being the buyer of US treasure bonds and in response the Fed has stepped into that role. As of today, the largest creditor in the US is no longer China and Japan but the Fed. It happened almost overnight. Just to clarify, the citizens of the US are not the Fed, the fed is a bunch of private banks like JP Morgan. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10489 They own you now. Congratulations. 3rd) Our trade imbalance has continued to get worse and is about as upside down as it's ever been. We were funding a robust economy via credit, folks borrowing off their homes and heloc loans. That's over. The US gov't stepped in and is trying to keep it propped up. We'll see how that goes, it's all uncharted territory in many ways for many reasons. Without the gold standard to balance things, maybe they can continue to play these games. Maybe not. Perfect storm. Yet it doesn't mean that you, Larry, or anyone, can't find a niche and get rich. In fact, it's a better time than before. Right now. Good luck!

I figured that there was no point ever spraying again when I learned from a buddy that Rudys son, Drew, had climbed Churning in the Wake (5.13a) with no hangs or falls on his 4th or 5th shot at it. 10 years old. If his fingers stay healthy it will kind of make ya wonder what Drew and some of these other lil kids will be getting up in a couple of years. Anyway, welcome to CC.com J5891, don't forget to bring some pictures of where you've been. It's a little confusing but I'm pretty sure that when I was 10, my life didn't evolve around much more than playing with Tonka Trucks in the dirt, learning my Gazintas (ie, 2 gazinta 4, 4 gazinta 8, etc etc) and cross country hiking with my brothers.

Here's another winner, this time a Washingtonian who parked at the Billy Goat Trailhead by the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest. http://westernslopenofee.org/index2.php?display=yes&pageid=36 "THE CASE: Tom Halpin of Twisp, Washington, arrived at the Billy Goat Trailhead on the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest on August 20, 2010. The trailhead area contained only one of the six amenities (a toilet) and Tom engaged only in activities for which fees are prohibited. He parked his car (fees are prohibited "solely for parking"), entered the Forest (fees are prohibited for "general access"), and camped for six nights in a designated Wilderness Area (fees are prohibited for "camping at undeveloped sites"). Tom returned to find a federal Violation Notice affixed to his windshield charging him with "Failure to pay established parking fee." After reading the FLREA and considering his options, Tom decided to contest his Violation Notice on the grounds that the Forest Service had exceeded its authority by charging a fee at that location and for those activities. He drew inspiration from the outcome of U.S. vs Smith, a nearly identical case in Sedona, Arizona that was dismissed by a federal magistrate judge. Representing himself, and with advice from numerous people experienced in recreation fee law, Tom wrote and filed a Motion to Dismiss with the court. He looked forward to being able to bring his case before the judge and have the legal issues decided. The Forest Service, however, does not want the legal issues decided, presumably because they are unlikely to prevail. A loss in court could throw their whole trailhead fee program out as not in compliance with the law. They did not even respond to Tom's motion. Instead, they pre-empted him from having his day in court by dropping the charges against him, saying they had "discovered" that there was no picnic table at the Billy Goat Trailhead at the time he was charged. They claim to have since installed a table, and they contend that puts them within the law to go on requiring a Northwest Forest Pass at that location. The Forest Service did not address any of the other issues raised, such as the continuing lack of other required amenities, or the fact that regardless of amenities there are some activities for which fees are prohibited, period. It appears that, come the 2011 hiking season, they will continue their program of intimidation, issuing tickets that they know they cannot successfully prosecute. This cowardly behavior is unworthy of a federal agency charged with managing public lands in accordance with federal law. The Forest Service should be ashamed. You can read the documents in U.S. vs Halpin HERE." http://westernslopenofee.org/index2.php?newsdisplay=yes&newsid=32

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Oh yeah! Look, any unfinished high alloy metal will have all kinds of issues from rust. Some alloys rust faster than others, but all of them can benefit from this crap: Eezox (or alternatively corrosion X is good). After you get home, toss your shit in a corner of the basement like you usually do, go pass out for a day like you also most likely do, maybe ya get a shower first, maybe not. When you come to, go over to your now dry tools and just lightly wipe them down with this stuff. It will soon dry to the touch and doesn't smell good so do it over something like a garbage can, no need to over do it. Works better than any oil. Of course, if you can dry them and then wipe this stuff on first, before you collapse, so much the better. http://www.eezox.com/ You can use it on any metal, tools, etc. You can surf the web for data and results, but here's some pics of salt spray tests against some other products. Salt is a corrosive, you can go to Detroit where they salt the roads and your cars last 4 years before they are rusted out to confirm it, but that's true. So a concentrated salt solution, called a salt spray test, is utilized to speed up the process of corrosion. Top Row: Left to right. Control, FP10, Corrosion-X | Bottom Row: Left to right. Eezox, Breakfree. Top Row: Left to right. Control, FP10, Corrosion-X | Bottom Row: Left to right. Eezox, Breakfree. Another group at 15 hours to compare: Top Row: Left to right. Control, Break-Free, Strike-Hold | Bottom Row: Left to right. Rem-Oil, Slip2000, Mobil-1 15W50 Regards and you're rust free now!

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Would a climbing pic of Ivan at the Far Side help? nah, I didn't think so.

If you are going to toot, you should have a link. Otherwise, aren't you just talking out yer ass? It would be remarkable that you could accurately remember from years ago, when you do not appear to be able to often correctly replay what others are saying just moments later.

Hey Rooster, didn't the last person who used the primary term denigrating to females of your species get banned? (pst, that word is, shhhh, Chickenshit)

Ivan finds the Little People! This doesn't even need to be updated, same story!