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..and would NOT be eating the M and Ms as they would fall through the holes in his palms.......?

Is this happening tomorrow - Tuesday? Kevbone, they say it's gonna hit 90 degrees by Friday, which means Ozone is out and Rocky Butte will be in for after work laps baby! PS, I still may need a rest day Tuesday, I got worked this weekend and so I'm not committing here.

Seahawks, Virenda or Joblow7 ?

Don't be so sure. I saw McCain doddering around on TV last night acting all old and decrepit like. Furthermore, recently McCain has pitched like a pandering political tool and fool with his nonsensical jackassed gas tax vacation idea, while Obama - on the same issue and despite being attacked on it, has acted intelligently, responsibly and like a true leader... ..presidential if you will. Regardless, I think that the physical differences between Obama and McCain will be striking when they are debating. So regardless of who Obama picks, and it appears to be anyone but Hillary, anyone voting for McCain will most likely be looking very closely at his VP pic as the next possible highly probable President.

Never say never. I grasp your feelings but my thoughts, best save that arrow in the quiver for when you really really need it.

Dudes in spray were yanking on Zebra-Zion at Smith - 10a, but it made me reflect this weekend and think of Lions Chair, which from the ground up is a total classic by itself, and I "think" it's 11a. I say think cause it's hard for the grade, or it seemed hard when I was younger and getting up stuff like that, and that was a long time ago. Over my head now although I could follow it. Great route, interesting moves. I like Sunshine too, which fits your range at 11d, but I use to have calves of steel, and it's only a single pitch. Just under your grade, but worthy of mentioning is Kunza Corner, 10c, also a diheadral at Smith, easier than the grade indicates as it has some nice rests for your elderly climbers. But none of them really over hangs. Culls in Space overhangs but isn't a classic.

The header/title/theme: Mom's gift to kids: 'No!' Good read, thanks Kev.

Quoted: " (Oprah.com) -- Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, host of a show on Oprah and Friends Radio, says we can't just blame kids for acting bratty or spoiled. Kids today, he says, are exhibiting a lot of anger because they feel neglected by parents who may put careers ahead of family. art.moms.no.o.jpg "The one thing that kids need in huge doses is love," Rabbi Shmuley says. "They're insatiable for it. They're not getting it." Rabbi Shmuley says parents have a hard time teaching discipline and respect for others because of three factors affecting many families. 1. Exhaustion: Parents can't say no because they don't have the energy to do so. 2. Guilt: Not being able to give more of their time, parents often give material gifts instead. 3. A loveless society: Shmuley says "we don't live in a very loving society. People come from broken childhoods; they often have loveless marriages. The only love they get is from their children, so they're afraid to discipline them because they think their children won't love them." Parents, Rabbi Shmuley says, need to realize that discipline is love. "'No' is just as loving as saying 'yes,'" he says. Rebecca, a divorced mother of two who works, knows that she spoils her kids. Since she works a full-time job, she cannot spend as much time with her son and daughter as she would like. "A lot of times I feel like I am Mom and Dad to both of my children," she says. Because she feels guilty about not spending enough time with them, Rebecca says she tends to "overcompensate when they ask me for things ... so I overindulge." Rebecca's children have developed certain techniques to get the things they want. Her 5-year-old son, Brandon, uses "sad eyes." Her daughter, Stephanie, uses peer pressure. "If I really want to get something from my mom," Stephanie says, "I'll come home and I'll be like, 'Mom, all my friends have [it].'" Rebecca says her inability to deny her children's every want is getting out of control. "I want to say no, but it comes out yes," she says. Dr. Robin Smith says Rebecca is trying to make up for her perceived inadequacy as a single working mom by showering Brandon and Stephanie with gifts. This places so much emphasis on material goods that the children are learning to define themselves by material things. "If they were to lose everything -- if the rug gets pulled from underneath us -- you've got to be able to still know that you are good enough," Dr. Robin says. "Right now, if they lose things, they're going to feel empty." The solution to feelings of guilt, Dr. Robin says, won't come from stuff. "I want you to really recognize that what you're trying to do, which is to love them, to make up for your not being there, you can't do it with things. Things will never satisfy and never fill the sacred hole that only a mom and dad can do." As for Rebecca's struggles as a single mom, Dr. Robin says, "You can't be Dad, just be a good mom. Or if you're a dad, just be a good dad. Fill your own sense of being good enough and satisfied and that it's not about what you have ... and then you can feel good about yourself." Do you think your inability to say no is harming your kids? These are three questions you need to ask yourself. Do your children earn the things they get? Some parents reward children who aren't actually doing anything to earn a reward. Dr. Robin says chores are a good way to instill a reward system, even in a 5-year-old. "He could pick up his toys in his room; he could pick up his clothing; he could help his mother take the trash out," she says. "Not because you need [the help], but because it's cultivating being competent and thoughtful." Does your child value things more than people? Unchecked, a craving for possessions will become insatiable, Dr. Robin says. When this happens, it can stifle real emotional development. "I'm not really interested in whether or not I'm building great, healthy relationships," Dr. Robin says. "I'm interested in how many more gadgets I get." Are you trying to soothe your child with things? While new clothes and toys might make your child happy temporarily, that happiness will not last. "I don't want them to be just happy now. I want them to become whole individuals," Dr. Robin says. Like Rebecca, Jeri can't seem to say no to her kids. Not only do Jeri's two teenaged daughters manipulate her, so does her married 23-year-old daughter. Four and half months ago, Jennifer and her husband moved into a second home her parents own, under the agreement that she would pay rent. So far, she hasn't paid anything. When Ashley turned 16, she wanted a sporty car. Though Jeri told Ashley she needed to get a job to pay for it, after a year and a half, Jeri still pays for the insurance and the gas. Jaime sticks to asking her mom for "important stuff -- like shoes," she says. Jeri says she wants to put her foot down, but she just can't say no. And at the end of every month, she says she finds herself strapped for cash. Dr. Robin says Jeri must consider the lessons her daughters are learning. They're completely unable to fend for themselves, and their ability to feel a sense of personal accomplishment has been removed. "You're teaching them, in some ways, how to be victims of you." At the core, Dr. Robin says, the problem is that Jeri spoils Jennifer, Ashley and Jaime in order to avoid something. "And I want to know, what are you trying to avoid?" Dr. Robin asks. "I wonder sometimes maybe if I don't do what they want me to do, maybe they won't love me as much," Jeri says. "I know that's a strong concept, but we need to talk strong because their lives are at stake," Dr. Robin says. "You could actually, although you want to help them, create cripples." Dr. Robin wants to redefine what it means to love a child. "Part of loving your children is to give them boundaries," she says. "What we've seen today is what creates failure." Instead of giving your children everything they want, Dr. Robin wants parents to start living by a "golden rule." "When you say no, you must mean it and stick to it -- period," she says. "If [a parent's] word means nothing, it means that there's no respect. If I'm not respecting you, then I'm disrespecting you ... If you can't live it, your kids can sniff it out."

I didn't see where he mentioned spanking or beating at all. Did you read that artical?

You kidding? The Rabbi nailed it spot on the money. Dead on perfect. Hole in one.

Now thats interesting! Too bad I just put some Bison in the freezer. ______________________________________________________ Says: "I have a dead moose free for the taking. It died yesterday, apparently of natural causes. I called Fish & Game to come and get it. Apparently, moose are a natural resource and belong to everybody, until they die, then they belong to whoevers property they die on. So, according to Fish & Game, the moose now belongs to me. Sweet!! So, if you want a free moose, please come and get it before the bears do. You could use it for dog food, or stuff it and put it your front yard, bear bait, whatever. If you live in the lower 48, this might be your best opportunity to get a free Alaska moose. I dont really care, I just want it out of my yard. Please reply via email, I dont need all the animal rights folks calling me, its dead, and according to Fish & Game, its got no more rights..."

I can't believe that the debate over global warming ended so soon. Weathermen say it's gonna be 90 degrees next week, bet it starts up again! Seems to me that instead of blowing this issue off until it's too late, we should AT LEAST take the easy baby steps immediately, EVEN if the science is later proven wrong instead of correct: using less fuel to go to the corner grocery store is a good time.

Answer: "It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is. If the –if he – if "is" means is and never has been, that is not--- that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement." William Jefferson Clinton

Yeahhhhh! Lets see some pics of it this year eh?!

I think when the 2/3rd pitch got rebolted, there is now a section of mandatory free climbing which I don't remember being there before. I showed up in shit shoes and learned this the hard way the first time. Having rock shoes or a stick clip alleviates this problem. Well, about time you got on the aid climbers bus! BTW, my stick clip is prettier than your stick clip!

I couldn't watch the entire thing, how did it end?

Huh? I heard that right now, if you promise to vote for HIllary, she'll give you one for free. Great news, the line isn't very long either. Go figure.

Hi Nat! Good to see you got more holds up there. You should have said something in the winter as I'm sure a bunch of us would have flocked there like roosting chickens. As it just warmed up, I'm gonna be outside, (easier on the old joints) feel free to join in with us after work anytime, I think Tue-and thurs are the days. Cya Bill

New addition. Here she is sitting in my office right now. I'll be able to create a sport route from 1000 yards away with better precision. Might have to stay in the office as the wife doesn't want weapons in the home. Panther Arms DPMS LR-308 24 A-3 Upper Bennie Coolie Brake (JP) Timney Trigger Harris Pivot Bi-Pod Tac Latch Leupold 6.5-20x50 MK-4 side focus and TMR Reticle Warne Rings Everything except for chrome side plates. So whats in your closet?

We still doing this? F*uck. Wish I had some of this sh*t. Maybe a couple of gallons or so.

FWG, nice link. I just talked to Dave yesterday. Been a while since I've seen Bob and John though. from Daves site:

Stop the presses! Is that a "Stick Clip" hanging down under yer sac dere Dan? OMG! Nice TR!~ Now, next on the agenda - when are you folks gonna do the multi-route linkup? Ie, do N face then West face, or east face/North face kind of thing same day?

unless you've taken a lot of acid and think you can fly... I was topping out on North face of Broughtons once and bumped into an old friend, Ron Clark , at the top. He'd hiked up to the top. On acid, he was convinced he could fly off the cliff at that moment. Friends don't let friends fly on acid is the moral of the story.

See you tonight. Birds and Blackberry for sure then, since katie hasn't chimed in with routes and I need the exercise. Any of you other dudes, be there and bring your game face. It's lap lap and more speed laps. None of that hanging bullshit eh? Well, threat of rain (ok, some actual rain) and everyone but Geoff, Try and I wussed out. Tim showed up at dusk, as we were topping out calling it a day. IT WUZ AWESOME! THKS FOR THE BELAYS DUDES ! Tim - catch you next time.