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And one will rule them all LOL ..and now: onto the important things:

You don't boil a frog all of a sudden either. You take baby steps. The Nazis in Germany were democratically elected and overwhelmingly popular at one time as they offered up these kinds of solutions too Stephen. I'd rather just see the government follow the law of the land and not make it up due to expediency when it's convenient for them. The road to hell, as they say......is paved with good intentions. Rob, rob, come back brother.....

One more thing, for anyone who doesn't feel like I do. I'd suggest you read the book "Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA, 1981-1987". Woodward was one of the investigative reporters who broke the watergate story. http://www.amazon.com/Veil-The-Secret-Wars-1981-1987/dp/0743274032/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338581866&sr=8-1 William Casey as CIA director under Reagan is the book's subject. He may have had the best intentions and that group has many honorable folks working for us doing dirty and necessary jobs, but the politicization of such a powerful organization is scary as hell to me. The difference between them being the CIA that is working for the common good of our country and being a new improved gestapo, is very slim and a short distance for them to travel should they choose. Take care all!

I've ranted on this subject extensively before Jon. LOL. I don't support any President or government bureaucrat, no matter if it's George Bush or Barack Obama, being able to legally murder any innocent American citizen ...just ....because...they want too. That is EXACTLY what occurred in the Anwar al-Awlaki case. They tried it in the newspapers. The man said he didn't even say a lot of the things he was accused of (via the media as well). It's one thing when someone is an armed combatant and clearly self-defense and or preservation of others lives is the rational for killing them. That's war -what can anyone say about that. In this instance, douchbag wasn't and didn't even have a weapon other than a big mouth. Even if one took the tack that Al-aladouchebag was doing more than just "thought crime", it certainly is the case that the 16 year old American kid riding in the car who was executed at the same time as "collateral damage" was only guilty of proximity and relation to a douchbag. Opps. And for that the boy gets murdered? Not only was there no court case initiated, but the Feds specifically got the one Al-aladouches father filed in South Carolina tossed out of the courts. No due process for youuuuu they said, have your kid look us up! Dad says that there is a Fatwa, a public death sentence issued by Obama and the kid wants the court to rule cause he's not sticking his head out of the spider hole and getting it blown off in the process. I don't oppose the death penalty, but it should be the last resort, not the first choice and irrevocably issued like a "Fatwa" by a single person, even if it was the Messiah or Khomeini or Obama the peace loving noble laureate issuing it: and given only after due process as we have had for well over 200 years traditional. Had they captured the man and his son, had a speedy execution via bullet in the head after on a secret tribunal met, it would have been more extensive due process and consideration to the victims than they received. I think we should ask ourselves that had our son or daughter been murdered when riding in the car as it was blown up, would anyone of us feel differently? Now we find out that this is a new, extra-constitutional right the president is claiming. It is a clear violation of our constitutional right of due process. It should never ever happen, yet it just did and looks like it will continue. Looks exactly like the South American death squads start up. Who can support such a thing?[/rant]....for now:-) That's my thoughts. Why bother having a constitution if we don't need to follow it. Today maybe Mother Teresa is running the country, next election or the election after Hitlers angry son gets elected. Who would want that?

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/create-do-not-kill-list/HwqFwRtG

Nothing worse... LOL!

Off nailed it. Apples and oranges. A short fall out here could and most likely would easily kneecap you. In fact, half way into doing routes here one of the older/bolder (back in the day) wiser "trad" before the term was made climbers clued me in that bolts out here should be closer than we were placing them or we would be screwing over folks that followed us. As it was Ben Priestley's place, and Ben had already suggested that we not do ground up tied off horror show climbs that would screw over future climbers, I listened. Ben wasn't a sport climber, he'd done both El Cap and Half Dome climbs in a day in his previous valley trip. He's wise and a good guy, and I listen to people like those 2. So if you look at dates things got done and want something challenging, much more challenging in my opinion than being off route 85' out from your last bolt in the middle of a 1000' climb that has both cell coverage and YOSAR 30 min away, then start there. If anyone wants more bolts just look at the dates and climb a later one:-). There's some of both and plenty of adventure left everywhere up there. It sort of follows a left to right thing too. Right has lots of bolts, less less....generally. As far as "adventure" goes, many find the routes as they are both fun and adventurous, but there is lots of wild stuff up here still untouched. Some of it you can see, some not. Couple of old guys are finding and climbing hidden pinnacles back in the woods at various spots. Pinnacles that have but a single route, most still as yet not seconded. Some of which are gear routes. If you know Bruce Campbell ask him. A bunch of routes need 2nd and 3rd pitches too. They just go up a bit and stop. Anyone have at it if they want it. The Steeple could have 15 routes and it has but a single one. Unless Scott got another done. I think generally a great location for when it warms up down here. Hot July and August times. I saw that it was 32 degrees up there the other evening. Lot of bolts though. Big honking ones for Ivan, Ben and any other big guys to fall on all day too:-) And every rap on every route is a single 60M rope rap. Don't need 2 ropes. Plaidman leading the FA and well bolted "Better Than Sex". Ciao all! Thanks for the report Scott! Any photos? Put em up bra!!!!

That's me above there...the black spot. Couple weeks ago in Yos on North Dome. Most runout I've been in a while. Got off route. Ujahn says I was 85 feet out from the last bolt and off route. I think both sediments were accurate and it's a function of age where you can't see bolts and anything with the eyes. Maybe it was a tad more than 85 feet. Ujahn backed it off and got back on route. I was going the way I would have led it, but the FA folks didn't go that way or think like me. It sounds long but didn't seem too unreasonable, however, a fall would have been long and cheesgrater ugly ugly ugly. My thought was "How come I didn't wear my helmet again?" The next pitch had 3 bolts in the full pitch. I thought of Kevbone and laughed, but it wasn't unreasonable as it's so smooth up there. Good times! Fun climbing.

We don't need no steenkin bolts. No elevator rides for you "cyber-bullies". Lake Lucerne, Schweitz China

Wrong. Raindawg's getting grief for being Raindawg. His profession seems to just be something he's sensitive about, so people just push that button. I don't know the guy, personally, but he sure seems uptight. Archaeology is cool, though, I'm pretty sure nobody is actually giving him grief just because of that. Can't we just post climbing pictures with bolts in them and him? Bolts:-)

Well shit Paul, if that's all it take to make ya happy here's another one. You can actually see the bolts here. Someone Dwayner/Raindawg. Didn't Mike/Serenity have some Asscrackistan cliff climbing photos?

Here's a picture of some sweet Yosemite granite to make you feel lonely happy:-) Crest Jewel on North Dome about a week or so ago. Maybe if you click on it the pic will enlarge. At least my ass looks small with the distance. Raindawg alert, bolted route: "find the bolts in the photo" LOL Looking forward to your pictures Sobo. UPDATES ON!

I see Raindawg getting grief for his profession. However, I see his job as large net benefit to society, a puzzle being put together one piece here and one piece there. Which of us would not benefit from learning more about this civilization? Was climate change or water issues the cause of it's disappearance? Clues to the future are often found in the past. It's up to us to pay attention to them and learn from it. Dig it? Yup. http://news.yahoo.com/huge-ancient-civilization-collapse-explained-123449804.html http://stansjournal.com/index.php?page=news&type=view&id=history-mystery%2Fthe-lost-indus-valley&filter=8%2C9%2C10%2C11%2C12&blog=0 http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/archaeology/mohenjo-daro/ ...or we could talk about bolts too....

SUMMATION I hope that helps salvage the thread for you fellas.....

Holy crap, victim is still alive after 80 percent of his face was ripped off by this douchbags teeth.

My little brother crated up and shipping a jingle pedi-cycle home form Nepal for my big bro. Had the pictures of Bollywood movie stars and everything. Big hit in LaGrande with all the rednecks ...Not. LOL. I think the damned thing crated up weighed like 700 lbs. Glad all is well Sobo! Keep them coming, we all love to see whats up, even if we may be speechless. Denali Dave: funny stuff!!!!

Excellent post DPS. Bingo. And avoid injury while doing it. Trust me on this: "TODAY IT'S YOUR KNEES TOMORROW IT'S SOMETHING ELSE". Really. In his book, Mike Layton gives some great workout things to consider, but he specifically advises avoiding the classic sitting leg extension on the universal machine, and overhead press which we all do. Avoiding injuries should be our #1 goal (I'm injured and not climbing today due to a banana peel slip on snow 14 mo ago, I didn't fully recover and then I reinjured it in Yosemite @ a week ago being stupid doing things I knew would reinjure it - ie aid climbing) this one: I give what he says great credence, but it's easy, fast and measurable: so what I do is not stress (go all out) when on that machine. Use of a trainer who climbs or a good book should be incorporated as part of any training you do. John Frieh and folks like that are walking examples on how the use of crossfit and exercise should be to strengthen so as to avoid injuries while climbing. As a practicing armchair internet hack with no credentials other than being exactly where you are today (only more like at age 30) I'd recommend seeing a doctor. It's possible that a simple surgery may fix it. If that's out of the question: I'd suggest you cease the activity which causes the hypertension immediately as it will only get worse, strengthen the joint via a long and carefully examined well structured strength training program, and gradually re try it. Maybe some real experts will weigh in. Dr Laytons book: http://www.amazon.com/Climbing-Stronger-Faster-Healthier-Beyond/product-reviews/1439231982/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending Damn, good luck.

Exactly, but I'm sure we both disagree with the idea. It's wrong and something I'd condemn, however, of all the wrong things to get outraged and worked up all red in the face over in the world (political, financial, warfare, etc etc) this is near the bottom of the pile. Oh, Dwyaner, re. your tirade on bolts, next time I do Crest jewel in Yosemite (did it last week via Royal Arches approach), I want you leading. Finding those "3" special bolts on a full pitch on a big route, where they are all but invisible until you are feet away, makes you long for more of them -not less: wilderness or not.

Got to be one burly confident dude to ski corn moguls buck naked. A wipe out would be excruciating.

2nd ascent in progress and calls the style of the FA into question: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1827613/Look-Out-Danger-Or-Look-Out-Weak-Sauce

YEAH - THAT LYING SAC OF SHIT, WHAT ROUTES DID HE PUT UP ANYWAY?

Good on you for reporting it. I was figuring Lost Cam Kenny would fill this void and step up with a post, as I understand that he loses cams everywhere. A guy could make a career following him and just racking the lost cams I've heard. Seriously, nice good deed. Not mine but I wish I was out climbing there.

Can I gets me the free gear if I post hear?

Holy shit that worked out for you! Whens the retirement partaaaayyy? Any and all unemployed lawyers will be jumping on Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan now in what will be one of the biggest shareholder lawsuits ever seen. They changed horses mid-stream. Which is illegal as it turns out. Down another 5% today.

Crikies- lookin good. I remember hiking through that area years back after a soft winter, camping at Pamilia Lake and realizing to my horror that in order to go light: I had forgone my fishing pole, whereas the catch limit at the lake was 45 trout...and everyone seemed to be limiting. Compare to June 2010 in the background, Haydar and Shaun representin: Shaun sporting the Cilogear Hauly