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No you're not, the real Bobby Jindal isn't as literate or interesting as you normaly are.

This thread needs a gratuitous Jens and Sol climbing pic. Max Hasson photo. http://www.climbing.com/news/hotflashes/beautiful_cascades_testpiece_free-climbed/ edited to make the speling police happy but I got the name correct on the other thread naer naner.

Awesome granite with super pictures!!!! Fing a dudes! Nice. Photo by Max Hasson. Max nailed it.

What just happened here?

...and sniffing the chair Lynn Hill sat on when she came and did her slide show doesn't count ya pervs ......

RIGHT ON gentlemen!!!! I can feel the G*damn heat of that trip just sitting at my desk in an air conditioned office.

WITH directions. The supplement is free as well. Profits from the physical book go towards the area. I think Jeff Wenger should have a link where folks can donate: like Fish has with his "Buy Fish a beer" paypal program, it's nice he puts back in and it would be nice to share that load with him. http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/trout-creek-climbing-e-book/1936918 Thanks JW. To all as a reminder do not approach from the top down, lead the routes and rap. If yo plan on heading there it's important to take a moment to read the access issues he notes so that the local landowners will stay happy and allow us to continue to climb there.

That is F*ng rad John. However, I noticed that Steve Grossman does that all the time on Supertopo, and it's awesome stuff but the historical stuff just seems to disappear in a flurry of political and religious debates. How about taking the Pirates only forum and making it a History forum? We can maybe get Grossman to post here as well so that the great stuff he digs out of his basement and scans for our enjoyment can be found easy. PS RAINDAWG, WAITING FOR AN ANSWER STILL.

Beat me to the punch, and JB got the followup points on hormones and antibiotics. Jayb, sorry dude, but your post and this article really means very little in factual terms. As far as a wide scale study of the things which matter: bet they've been done. Who wants to google it? Milk causes cancer ? link. of course "But she is cautious about the implications of her studies of cancer rates and dairy consumption." _______________________________________________________________ Health risks of Pesticides _________________________________________________________________ The food in the US is very plentiful and generally very healthy. This isn't to say it is perfect.

Thanks for the info! Thats cool that they named some routes after Opal.

Hi Keith. I suspect that anything short of having this discussion around a campfire: face to face, will result in a sprayfest with some dick eventually insulting the profession, work choice, mother and questionable ancestry of some others no matter where it starts out. Sadly. For myself, I will refrain from pulling out my stock photos. These below are not stock, and I thought they'd help the stoke, so here's some of those guys replacing the old bolts on the Apron copied over. That's a hook there, not a bolt. regards to all:

LOL Prole! Wonder how far Fidel could peg one these days. PP, see this one? Guy jumped up at a Rangers game and catches the foul ball with his toddler under his other arm. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1202964/Lets-hope-mum-didnt-TV-Sport-fan-dad-catches-baseball-hand-balancing-baby-other.html

I'd like my question answered first.

I have nothing but the deepest respect for what you do for a profession. It is more interesting and important than what 90 percent of the rest of us do. Moving on - I don't think I fully understand what you preach. How do you respond to my thoughts that all El Cap routes would be impossible without bolts, and that in your view, they would all be closed as they are impossible to ascent without bolts. Every Glacier Point climbs as well which rely on bolted anchors, some very classic routes which date to the 50s and 60s. AND, if you feel that way about bolts, can we assume that pitons would be banned everywhere on public property as well? Please read this thread. http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=912351&tn=0&mr=0 Couple of old timers replacing the old crap bolts on the apron. Should all these routes be de-commisioned and erased by having the bolts removed and the holes filled? Really, I'm curious.

OMG! And Trask, the real fictional Zane Grey Character, unlike Cesar Chavez, would have actually lived in the Pac NW!!!! Brilliant Bosterson, but the horse just left that building!!!! I was asleep! Zing!

He's racing and pacing and plotting the course

lol Pete. John, you might have gotten it on the walk in. Is it on your legs or arms (or both)

Your partner is a keeper Otto. Hard working!!! The old Chouinard nut tools/pitons, being heat treated steel, were significantly harder if you want to give him one of those next time it will be returned with the hook still on it anyway:-)

So true, so true. I agree with this 100%. 5 K has it right about not being a discussion on this thread. I think it's more area specific thing rather than just a generic blanket statement kind of thing though. Those guys put a rap line down Royal Arches in Yos fer christsakes! Totally screws up the vibe and the mindset of a route that had been there for many many years. Wish they'd discussed it first, but this is the direction we are heading and I know I agree 100% with Dawg on this new rap line - its not a good thing at all for Arches. Around here, Ozone has bolts. Beacon rarely does. Yet it works, and the discussion should be a local one as well IMO, as thats better than a blanket statement like Dawg is producing.

I can see that Mr D's no drama thing is true though!

Jensens of course, but central south area. Base of Blownout and the first pitch of Blownout. Rappelling will get your rope right in it when you pull it. Every year it seems to expand a bit. BTW, I was just directly quoting the post above mine (without attribution) to be humorous, but there is some truth to it. Ozone is probably 5 degrees cooler, abiet shaded, insects I don't know about. Oak, all down the gorge everywhere. In fact, driving down SR14 right under the wires or anywhere the ground gets dug or disturbed it's generally wall to wall Poison Oak with a few spots where it doesn't appears, like where blackberries crowd too close for it.

From the book?

the former Green Beret/Beacon rock climber.

For myself: I prefer climbing cracks with no bolts. I prefer putting my own gear for belay anchors. I prefer long multi-pitch routes with no bolts. I prefer a rich and varied life and a balance, and I get sick and tired of the NO BOLT philosophy that Don repeatedly espouses with would essentially eliminate an amazing amount of good rock routes including all Grade 6 El Cap routes. All El Cap routes. All. Maybe he wants to go through life boltless, but our lives would be the poorer for it.

Sounds like a shortage of Crisco, tricycles and midgets is all you are missing.