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Beat me to the punch, and JB got the followup points on hormones and antibiotics. Jayb, sorry dude, but your post and this article really means very little in factual terms. As far as a wide scale study of the things which matter: bet they've been done. Who wants to google it? Milk causes cancer ? link. of course "But she is cautious about the implications of her studies of cancer rates and dairy consumption." _______________________________________________________________ Health risks of Pesticides _________________________________________________________________ The food in the US is very plentiful and generally very healthy. This isn't to say it is perfect.

Thanks for the info! Thats cool that they named some routes after Opal.

Hi Keith. I suspect that anything short of having this discussion around a campfire: face to face, will result in a sprayfest with some dick eventually insulting the profession, work choice, mother and questionable ancestry of some others no matter where it starts out. Sadly. For myself, I will refrain from pulling out my stock photos. These below are not stock, and I thought they'd help the stoke, so here's some of those guys replacing the old bolts on the Apron copied over. That's a hook there, not a bolt. regards to all:

LOL Prole! Wonder how far Fidel could peg one these days. PP, see this one? Guy jumped up at a Rangers game and catches the foul ball with his toddler under his other arm. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1202964/Lets-hope-mum-didnt-TV-Sport-fan-dad-catches-baseball-hand-balancing-baby-other.html

I'd like my question answered first.

I have nothing but the deepest respect for what you do for a profession. It is more interesting and important than what 90 percent of the rest of us do. Moving on - I don't think I fully understand what you preach. How do you respond to my thoughts that all El Cap routes would be impossible without bolts, and that in your view, they would all be closed as they are impossible to ascent without bolts. Every Glacier Point climbs as well which rely on bolted anchors, some very classic routes which date to the 50s and 60s. AND, if you feel that way about bolts, can we assume that pitons would be banned everywhere on public property as well? Please read this thread. http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=912351&tn=0&mr=0 Couple of old timers replacing the old crap bolts on the apron. Should all these routes be de-commisioned and erased by having the bolts removed and the holes filled? Really, I'm curious.

OMG! And Trask, the real fictional Zane Grey Character, unlike Cesar Chavez, would have actually lived in the Pac NW!!!! Brilliant Bosterson, but the horse just left that building!!!! I was asleep! Zing!

He's racing and pacing and plotting the course

lol Pete. John, you might have gotten it on the walk in. Is it on your legs or arms (or both)

Your partner is a keeper Otto. Hard working!!! The old Chouinard nut tools/pitons, being heat treated steel, were significantly harder if you want to give him one of those next time it will be returned with the hook still on it anyway:-)

So true, so true. I agree with this 100%. 5 K has it right about not being a discussion on this thread. I think it's more area specific thing rather than just a generic blanket statement kind of thing though. Those guys put a rap line down Royal Arches in Yos fer christsakes! Totally screws up the vibe and the mindset of a route that had been there for many many years. Wish they'd discussed it first, but this is the direction we are heading and I know I agree 100% with Dawg on this new rap line - its not a good thing at all for Arches. Around here, Ozone has bolts. Beacon rarely does. Yet it works, and the discussion should be a local one as well IMO, as thats better than a blanket statement like Dawg is producing.

I can see that Mr D's no drama thing is true though!

Jensens of course, but central south area. Base of Blownout and the first pitch of Blownout. Rappelling will get your rope right in it when you pull it. Every year it seems to expand a bit. BTW, I was just directly quoting the post above mine (without attribution) to be humorous, but there is some truth to it. Ozone is probably 5 degrees cooler, abiet shaded, insects I don't know about. Oak, all down the gorge everywhere. In fact, driving down SR14 right under the wires or anywhere the ground gets dug or disturbed it's generally wall to wall Poison Oak with a few spots where it doesn't appears, like where blackberries crowd too close for it.

From the book?

the former Green Beret/Beacon rock climber.

For myself: I prefer climbing cracks with no bolts. I prefer putting my own gear for belay anchors. I prefer long multi-pitch routes with no bolts. I prefer a rich and varied life and a balance, and I get sick and tired of the NO BOLT philosophy that Don repeatedly espouses with would essentially eliminate an amazing amount of good rock routes including all Grade 6 El Cap routes. All El Cap routes. All. Maybe he wants to go through life boltless, but our lives would be the poorer for it.

Sounds like a shortage of Crisco, tricycles and midgets is all you are missing.

Any of these hammers? The one of the right of the Floozie use to be Mike Jacksons.

You do? How so? ..how about this Hammer?

I give up, you know you want it. Here you go: Lil Dawgs good side (although why this is good only Lil Dawg knows, don't ask me for an explanation)

Lil Dawg thinks his other side is better. Sigh......GD, sometimes these inanimate objects just suck with these continual incessant irrational demands....but here you go. No, I won't give in to these unreasonable demands. Here's a happy bolter pic instead. Notice the Jimmy Opdycke signature line of Forrest Wall Hammers at work vis a vis the subtle interplay of rock and metal.....

For penance this Gates dude should be forced to watch this training video by Chris Rock which I think Rock did in response to the Rodney King incident. Maybe Pink needs to view it as well. [video:youtube]

LOL, sorry there -I changed my post to more accurately reflect my view of the truth. Don, I really do enjoy you (with this single issue exception of course) and I'm sorry about playing the baby Hitler card so early in the thread, but I was going for entertaining and like you I don't have the creativity or the intelligence to start fresh so I pulled this out of the same old hat as you got your tired old material:-) Didn't mean to sound so offensive! And I took Drederek post to mean just what he said, not that you should kill yourself. Bring on the mountain bike Trip Reports now!!!! ps, what Off says about starting a new thread instead of bringing this onto an existing thread also goes for me. Sure it will all wind up in spray 15 seconds after kevbone shows up, but it will be YOUR spray!! LOL And there are folks who totally get very cranky about any new bolts in this park where none have existed for 40 years on existing climbs, and I try and be respectful of their viewpoints. These are adding a large bolt to backup some well used questionable older ones. It use to be a quarry and they trashed the shit out of the place with massive blasting etc etc. Eventually, all of the evidence of that work is slowly disappearing. Their use to be a guards hut there and a hut for blasting material storage, and all that is visible is some faint, moss covered outlines of some old foundations. This too will pass, much like other civilizations and their efforts.

I heard that this year, Beacon is more horrible than any other year before. But fortunately Ozone is 75 degrees, breezy, free of insects and poison oak, and no drama. This is the rumor just starting. The lack of Oak at the Opdycke Zone might be cause I sprayed all that Oak shit and killed it dead dead dead. Their was a 40' high tree that had spread out onto the wall which Jim and those guys had yanked down with a rake. The stump is still visible there. Don't have no insect 'panation though. Maybe someone (else:-)) could organize a Beacon work party that would involve hitting the poison oak there, cause that shit keeps growing out of control. Who wants to step up and start the ranger discussion ball rolling on this? They probably have some projects or some things they want done out there which we could help them with as well. We could all show up, work our asses off all day and bang out all their projects too. It would be cool.

Thanks Doug. Spring is the worst then it tapers off to @ 50 percent late summer like now. I see the Mt Hood posts spill over on this climbing thread in the spring as well. At one time earlier this year I think there were more visible Mt Hood threads on there than everywhere else combined. Of course, 90 percent of the Oregon threads at that time are all Mt Hood. 2nd most climbed Mt in the world after Mt Fuji.