Buckaroo

Obama increased the annual defense budget from $650 Bil to $735 Billion. We spend more money on defense than the next 90% of the world combined. (and at the same time we are firing our teachers) It's the only thing left that we do good, building bombs. [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfLgub2dhb4

Orwell was so prescient, 90 percent get their "news" from the TV that's wholly owned by 5 defense connected corporations like GE. ""Ignorance is Strength War is Peace Freedom is Slavery"" who will be the next Emmanuel Goldstein there Ivan? We are at war with "terror" how convenient, as soon as one podunk 3rd world hell hole folds we move on to the next because that's where the "terror" is.

The most successful genocide in the history of man. Before WW2 Hitler sent emissaries to study how it was done.

[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo

Really surprised how many seemingly right thinking people buy a big load of military industrial media complex garbage. Don't forget after all 5 defense connected corporations own all the TV, so they totally control the "news". When it comes to killing the CIA and our military make Osama's kills look like pocket change. During the bombings of Iraq between the first and 2nd Gulf wars we killed close to 500,000 Iraqi children. Allbright said that was "acceptable". When it comes to the military we don't even do body counts anymore. They don't hate us because of our freedom, they hate us because we bomb them to death. Funny how on OBL's FBI most wanted page there's no mention of 911. Funny how the FBI says there's no evidence linking Osama to 911. Funny how if you look at the 2002 Osama confession video frame by frame it becomes painfully obvious it's not even close to being Osama. Osama was a "terror" patsy figurehead, originally connected to the CIA when the Afghan's were fighting the Russians. Obama's ratings were at a new low, for the first time his unfavorable going past his favorable. This was purely a photo op for ratings. In this day of hi-res digital photos and video, how come there's ZERO evidence being shown? If this farce was really legit and they actually killed someone that's been dead since 2001 then it was an extra judicial killing. After all Obama has declared even with US citizens that he has the right to declare you a "terrorist" and have you assassinated without trial.

a snake fell 70 ft and it didn't get hurt?

If you're thin or anemic you better take a couple extra bags of blood so you can set up an IV drip if necessary.

The carabiner gate may open under a heavy load, posing a risk of serious injury or death if the climber falls. The Photon model carabiners are used by climbers as connectors.... Outdoor retail stores sold the carabiners nationwide from February 2011 through March 2011 for between $8 and $12. They were made in China. ha ha, I guess if you are a climber you can get "connected" maybe the metal supplier at the Chinese factory melted down some aluminum pots instead of providing 7075.

Some 5mil tech cord might work (New England). It's static and very stiff especially after it's been weighted, this also means it tangles less. Very expensive though but it will hold full weight on raps. http://promountainsports.com/index.php/climbing/ropes/tech-cord-5mm-60m.html

Pot will not help you if Hood decides to come after you. People have been found in their snow cave, frozen like popsicles with their pot by their side doing nothing. It's dangerous to tell people that pot is going to save them from the dreaded Hood when it's not going to happen.

Mitochondria100 with 2 friends, hanging it out on Mt Borah in Idaho something nice and different within a days driving range http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=982758 Steph Abegg big time peak bagging in the Canada Rockies http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=975651 JoshK and Wayne's 1st Complete Northern Pickets Traverse http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=476685 Colin and Mark's Index Traverse in Winter http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/643839/1

Don't ever underestimate Hood. There's dead bodies still up there of people that underestimated Hood. this is like a minimum non-negotiable list, in addition to all the regular stuff like already mentioned, helmet, axe etc. Shovel (at least 1 for the party, and know how to dig a snow cave) Stove (at least 1 for the party) Fuel (enough for 3 days to melt snow for water) Pot 1 foam pad per person (3/4 okay) 1 puff jacket per person Wind/rain gear, including pants, this is more for the wind extra gloves, can easily get lost in the wind 1 bivy sack for the party, in case someone gets hurt. other things you might want, to keep from getting turned around by conditions touk or turtlefur goggles mitts

Shouldn't the subject read "Favorite TR Ever Contest Nominating Thread"?

I strongly recommend energy gels as opposed to energy bars during and right after the race, and just as importantly hydration. Digestion takes energy and blood flow, gels are essentially pre-digested, at least the physical form of them. When I have a hard climb to do I will not eat anything after waking in the morning and a GU pack every 45 min or so during the climb. No solid foods at all until I'm done for the day. The new GU chomps or Clif shot blocks are even better not as messy. The GU products have the best energy to weight ratio. I've noticed a 10 to 15 percent performance increase since using this method.

I know one thing on the 8000'ders the only people that survive the 3 day bivy in the death zone are the ones that are overweight to start with. Case in point the 1986 K2 disaster, Bauer and Diemberger the only survivors had guts bigger than the ones in your pics.

""Holy shit, this sounds great! Did I miss another Obama speech!? "" "sounds" is the key word, the actions like the last 4 years will be the opposite.

wishing I was still a kid

allow me to clarify I'm not hating on them. I've screwed up in the mountains more than once including getting lost and an injury. I'm just pointing out the mistakes so someone else might learn from them. The other threads/articles and this one just seemed to be concentrating on an irrelevant issue, what should happen with the gear. When the gear wouldn't have been an issue if they hadn't messed up in the first place. IMHO looking at the mistakes made they were a few levels over their heads. That was the first mistake they made. You want to sugercoat it? Go right ahead, people can go on believing they were experienced enough, so everyone just get a PLB and it will be alright. Bullship.

I don't care what the article or the rescuers say, the facts say gumbies. Seriously all they were relying on for route finding was their tracks in the snow? In Alaska in winter? LOLZ!!! Even after getting lost you can find your way back if there's visibility, they didn't even wait for that visibility. Risk free? With choppers and a 40 mph wind? Hardly.

Hey! No skiing our climbs! J.K. nice pics

As regards to the 2nd article. The comparison of warmth between climbing and belaying and trying to carry enough gear to take on and off and keep warm at belays. You have to try staying in motion at the belays. Run in place if you have to. You can go lighter with this method and save time by not having to add/remove layers. I usually take an extra layer even when going light but nothing overboard. I usually have to run in place when it's cold because my body fat is so low. I go light but usually don't go fast. I go slow and light due to being over the hill. I have to go light just to make it at all. One thing I note about going fast is you sometimes don't even remember the pitches. What is climbing worth in that case? Can see it if the weather window is short and you are at the top levels of climbing but otherwise you miss out on the experience. Like thinking a shiver bivy on the climb is preferred to doing it in one day. Going light is really a science. To do it properly you have to look at every single piece of gear and it also can get expensive. Another thing that happens also is going too light. Like the 3 guys that winter climbed the N face of Hood a few years back and took no puff jackets and no stove. The weight of a small stove and 1 jacket is not going to slow you enough to make a difference and the penalty if things go wrong is not worth it. If you're not in good enough shape to carry that small amount of weight and still go reasonably fast then you shouldn't be on the climb anyway.

Gumbies called a rescue way too early and for no reason. They shouldn't have even been on the mountain if they couldn't hang at least 24 hrs to see if it cleared. Also they should have had a stove for water and some kind of way to get a weather report. They deserve to lose their gear, the 2nd party was doing clean up at considerable risk. If they want gear back, full expenses and fee for retrieval.

any more pics? I'd love to drive this

that's a LOT of snow on Chair

the project map shows the project staying south of the cut. Also the trees in the area are protected by the UW arborist program? I remember when they expanded the parking lot for when the Seahawks were playing there they took a very careful cataloging of the trees. http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/SR520Bridge/map.htm