JoshK

Ehhhh...sort of. CSU is the cross-state rival, but in reality CU-Nebraska is the biggest annual rivalry. That gets played over thanksgiving.

LOL, ah...we still throw shit at each other. College FB is the best sport, IMHO, followed by college basketball. Euro-soccer does suck tho. It's a major .

Yup!! Everybody is talking shit about the dumbass!

Hmmmm...neither PP or any of his sorry ass conservative friends have chipped in to school us on why GWB has showed such wonderful leadership in this situation.

I know there are a couple of other CU folks here, or at least Boulderites!!! FUCK EM UP CU! 31-28 over the CSU Rams. It was a great game. Time to party. peace out bitches! -josh

It sounds much better if your determination of the route's danger was correct. Whatever man, way to rock it, like I said, I'm not talking shit, I just thought it was a bit physco from the info available and I offered my armchair opinion. Good job guys, that's what I have to say.

What the hell do we pay this guy for!?? From what I can tell, his sole duty seems to be constantly justfying his quagmire in Iraq. A national disaster of epic proportions hit and the best he can do is fly over a few days later. There is no federal leadership here and he claims the efforts are "satisfactory." Furthermore, it seems about 4 out of 5 of his comments deal with "stopping looting" rather than helping people. Does this pile of shit actually think the people down there care one damn bit about the looters?!?! They want food, water, shelter, medicine, a dry place to stand. Then he continues by making various comments on how private enterprise and state resources are the way to handle these problems. It's no wonder his approval rating is at 40%. It will drop further. He is a disgrace to our country and to his office. If our federal government cannot respond to a disaster we knew was coming for days in advance how do we expect to respond to a biological or nuclear attack? I await the amusement we will all enjoy when PP and crew try to find some way to justify how he is handling things just fine.

Serac cycles are interesting...I've been camped right near a very active ice cliff that started acting up in the cold of the night and then was slient during the heat of the next day. Maybe something with it re-freezing and snapping, who knows, but it definitely reminded me that simply figuring you can climb it when it is cold out doesn't remove any of the risk nescessarily.

Whatever...soloing on ground where your technical skills are tested is a lot different than taking an extremely high amount of objective risk that isn't necessary. People don't seem to get that I am not talking about one's decision to take on a challenge and test themselves...I am talking about a deliberate decision to walk directly up the death path of a seriously fucking unstable glacier. They knew it, they did it, it was less than smart, IMHO. There, I said it, I'm a dick, whatever... To compare pushing against one's personal boundary of "technical" risk and pushing against a completely obvious objective risk is silly - they are two completely seperate things.

HAHAHAHHAHA...Ahh, squid, your linguistic touch is brilliant.

Upgrade that to a "premium" shot and maybe we can start talking.

Hey fishstick, will you be in Boulder this fall/winter? I wouldn't mind partnering up for some of the stuff you mentioned. I've only cimbed Hallett in the park so I don't know what is where... -josh

Another example is idiot desert city building...for example, Phoenix and Vegas...they are ecological disasters. They might be safe from weather, etc. but they were about the worst places to build cities possible. Even LA fucked shit up real bad.

Yeah, I tried that...it sucks ass. I'm not sure how I was albe to sit at the box all day long - I can't see how others do it now.

I am hoping for lots of snow on the coast (gotta help those poor glaciers) and a nice cold winter in the Rockies. I really wanna get up to Cody! It was 96 in Boulder yesterday and 68 (but still sunny) today. It feels great. It is from the lingering effects of the cold air from Katrina. Pretty wild to imagine that.

Maybe Cobra didn't say it the best way (seemed rather straight-forward to me) but I have to agree somewhat. Think of the cities we have built that are in the most idiotic places imaginable. Like he said, New Orleans is under sea level. What!?!? That isn't a natural disaster, it's a natural reality - the place is a flood plain.

DIdn't even think of that Paul, but that is pretty much right on. I think had tragedy occured (thank god it didn't) - we would have been very critical, and rightly so. Slothrop, I am not trying to mother anybody. My point is that I think the risk to reward ratio was greatly skewed and the "glory factor" really clouds people's minds. Think of it this way - what if we didn't think of FAs any differently. If somebody asked you to do a climb that required a wandering line that kept you underneath a *very* dangerous glacier for an extended period of time would you really be intersted? It isn't like the danger of walking underneath that particular glacier isn't BLATENTLY obvious. It wasn't a matter of being able to get through that section safely with the proper climbing skill - it was a matter of flat out rolling the dice.

OK, I'll come straight out and say it. It's obviously only my personal opinion, but I think pushing a route through the glacier polished slabs beneath that hanging glacier is a fine example of putting the possible glory of a FA above safety and sanity. That glacier calved over and over from my vantage on the NE Butt. More so, it isn't like the risk is unobvious. I can't imagine it wasn't blatently obvious that you were climbing directly underneath an extremely unstable glacier that frequently busted off through that very channel. The fact that you were climbing slabby bedrock is evidence enough that the glacier flowed through that direct path and now calves through that same path. Now that there is a picture to look at, I don't think I could honestly say that there is any sort of line through that entire section. It isn't like there was a very brief crossing beneath a dangerous section to get onto another obvious rock feature. As you alluded to, it was a compromise to get around a route that appeared not to go through the natural (and protected) line. I realize that there is always a tradeoff between percieved safety and the desire (sometimes nescessity) to push through completion, but in this case it seems that safety was heavily compromised in the name of completing a new route. I've never been critical of anybody's FA posted on here - I love to read them - so I hope you don't see it as senseless criticism. I just wanted to throw my opinion out there.

I think it may be a tulip.

Maybe we should move this discussion to another thread - it is actually pretty interesting but I feel bad jacking their TR.

Well, i know I read this for certain, so put up some numbers. The data compared average slope angle based on certain sqare mileage grid sections of either USGS maps or the Canadian equiv. If I recall correctly, the Denali area was steepest on the 6 and 12 (dont recall if it was sq miles, or X by X grids of the specified size) and the area centered around cascade pass or thereabouts steepest on the 20 and 40. I definitely recall this being the way I read it, but the data may well be wrong, interpreted poorly, etc. so I would like to see if there is any measurement of camparison out there because it would be quite interesting. -josh

I actually believe I have read it is the greatest rise in North America, outside of Alaska, and the Denali area specifically. That is fucking sick! Since somebody is going to do it, I guess I'll be the first to armchair climb. I have to question the decision to climb right under an actively caving glacier (we watched it bust off a bunch a month ago when up there.) in the summer, and then to continue up said glacier. Maybe I'm picturing it much worse than it was, but that sounds like a LOT of objective hazard to take on. Don't take it as shit talking, that is one damn fine line.

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I'd be willing to bet your average harley pollutes more than your average passenger car. They dont get the best mileage either considering that they only hold one person, and possibly a fat chick on the back.

Triple Couliors looks to be in great shape right now. Anybody wanna give it a go?