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I learned a lot from the boy scouts. I was in a group that didn't give a damn about the community service stuff or anything else except camping and hiking. I loved it. I learned a ton because we screwed up virtually every time. Spent nights out in Oregon coast range rain storms, in jeans, and then it starts snowing all night. We took tents out that just collapsed under overnight snowfall, waking up suffocating and laughing. I burned myself, cut myself, shot things, almost drowned several times, and overall had a blast. I gained an appreciation for polypro (but never under shorts) and how to insulate myself from the ground after freezing my ass off repeatedly. I learned to shut up and hike instead of bitching about things. In summary, the boy scouts is a great learning experience if you don't die in the process. I'm a better outdoor person for it. It was particularly fun to pick on the other groups who came to the jamborees who were all religious and regimented and stuff. Man those cats had a hard time. I've no idea what it's like today though.

Thanks for all the fun times Katie, we miss you. There are some inaccuracies in the media. For an essentially definitive report of what happened, you can go to: http://www.i-world.net/oma/news/accidents/2005-07-23-3fj.html

Apparently the mosquitoes in the Obsidian area are dropped in from another world. Our mere earth-based repellents are useless. Something like a bomb squad outfit might work. Those are weapons-grade mosquitoes.

of course you could end up hauling all that crap up there, not use it, and I'll look like a total a-hole. I remember a tri-cam or two was used to cross the impasse, and maybe a nut was placed at one point.

I'd bring some small light gear like a few nuts, tricams, or hexes just in case. Especially if you plan to go over the imperfect impasse, which is considerably more complicated than the top of challenger. I think it's a good plan to not rely on fixed stuff being there. Those pitons have been there for years but who knows. If it is damp or whatever you might want some more gear in, or on the simul climbing traverse over there. I don't know how much experience you have. I'm not sure if a 30m would get you down if you rap.

Mr. Caldwell mispells his name Ian. Any real scotsman keeps the extra i in there. Funny that you drive all the way down for a day at the shit pile. It must be really shitty up there.

Your use of "we" describes a broad spectrum of personalities. I don't think climbers necessarily have inflated egos. You hear from those who do more often than from those who don't, which contributes to a misconception.

I thought you were in it for the livestock

Whether chestbeating or not, I'll take any info that helps get my friends off the mountain and safe. Nice climbing Marcus and nolse and thanks for the help. We are all in this together and need to look out for each other.

thanks for the help guys. amid all the spray this site is a great resource sometimes.

Thanks, appreciated.

Yes, they are still missing. Thanks for the information, it will get to those who need it. Also, if you don't mind PM'ing me your contact info, there might be someone who wants to talk with you.

That would be them. Where did you see them?

I'm fairly certain that discussion was a joke, seeing how some of the participants are the nicest people you could meet.

If you need more chalk just go do a few laps on lower Heinous.

I know but I don't have an escalade running 22s w/playstation yet. I hope you're enjoying your half-double-decaf-half-caf machiatto.

has it been replaced by "asshole with black lung" persona in the LA basin or something.

Suffering from Hood withdrawl? Or is someone eyeing you uncomfortably at the cafe for ordering that Latte with whole and not soy milk? way to tack on that latte joke, it really improved your post. contrary to past-moderator libel, hood does not "give me wood".

Just yell K2 BABY THE ULTIMATE HIGH then spit in their face

piss off cj00000000001f

so does varmint killin and swimmin. oh you weren't talking about the emmons

Yes the learning curve is quite high. But I seem to grow a natural mullet if I don't get a haircut after awhile. I guess you could call me effortlessly cool.

You might be able to get a free one if you test drive an iroc z now that I think about it.

Just ask the occasional beefcake walking down the trail at Smith Rock. I guess is it is near an iroc z dealership (which is usually right next to the guitar pawn shop/muscle supplement store)