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Thanks for that last tip Bill, I couldn't help myself and bought one of each.

By the way, I've never bolted a crack. I suggest you put up your evidence. I love how language can be so ambiguous and misinterpreted. I understood Bill to be using the term "crack" in the context of wisecracks, or rants, rather than an accusation of bolt installation malfeasance on your part.

I've got some new projects in the Cascades, but they've been on the list for awhile, so pre-spray would be inappropriate and likely embarassing. I'd like to spend a week in the Valley in May with my son, doing some of the classic grade IV's like NE Butt Higher, E Butt Middle, E Butt El Cap, Serenity/Sons, and possibly something wacky like Galactic Hitchhiker. I'm also hoping to cobble together a springtime 30th reunion ascent of the Happy Hooker on Trono Blanco. In terms of sure things, I know I'll be climbing most Wednesdays in Tenino, everything else is wishes.

I scrambled the ridge for the view, strictly class 3 on some wierd wind hollowed stuff. The beach was littered with pumice, small stones the waves would leave at the high wave mark sitting on top of the sand, including some fist size stones that also floated. My big climbing coup for the trip, aside from some memory lane sandstone sea cliff bouldering in San Diego, was a 20' 5.8 handcrack in a rocky pass about an hour south of that beach. Delicious wrist locks that made it a reasonable tennis shoe ascent.

Yeah PP, you're a little more of a prog type than guitar hero worshiper, but this might be an interesting show. Where is he playing in Seattle? Kev, you should consider going, he's a seminal guitar guy from back in the day.

Yes Hugh, for the seventeenth year running, my wife and I made good on our tradition of going for a hike somewhere we've never been before on New Years Day. We passed a crew with about 200 motorcycles and a similar tradition, but I think theirs is to go to a bar where they've never drunk before. It wasn't the sunny and balmy 51 degree day the weather yahoos promised last night though.

I'm confused, did the Nazi's eat a lot of bacon? I mean, I know they killed a lot of Jews, gypsys, gays, and a raft of others in a sickeningly methodical fashion, and I know Jewish tradition eschews eating pork, but I don't quite see the connection. The Torah also forbids wearing clothing made of linen and wool woven together, does this mean that Linsey-woolsey is the equivalent of genocide?

Oh, you must have mistaken my hyperbolic statement about slapping No13's head for true intent. No, I didn't. Just to be clear, I wasn't making any inference about you when I said that about violent threats from posters, I was speaking in historical terms. As an old timer, you should get that.

That sort of thing is clearly hyperbole, I find it far more disturbing when posters here advocate violence towards other board members. Fairweather, if you honestly feel that someone here is a sincere threat towards the President, any President, I would urge you to contact the Secret Service immediately.

Family Mexican road trip vacation. Seven straight days of sunshine Christmas Eve in the Vanagon Bahia San Luis Gonzaga

Simple solution: give up that wacky water stuff and stick with things Jim Nelson can advise about. Macson might be onto something though... I

...unless that happens to be your kink.

Had to look that one up, only to find you just mean spit roasting.

News, like any product, must be sold. I'm sure they put a lot of thought into deciding what's going to sell, and missing snowboarders just don't make the cut. I think Sexy is right though, if the missing boarders had a cell phone to make a desperate plea for help, they'd be a better product to market.

I see, there's no new intelligence, just an emphasis by the Bush administration on that portion of the report which says Iran could restart their program. Since they could, they may have already. I think the National Intelligence Assessment of the United States may not be very flattering.

Hot Henry wouldn't have waited six months! Still, that's a reasonable notion, certainly some sort of window is appropriate. If the route is rapped, scrubbed, tr'd, and rap bolted it seems like the "FA" is less significant than the first onsight anyway, modern route development in the NW tends to take a lot of the mystery and fear out of a first ascent and substitute a bunch of hard and grubby work. That sort of sweat equity should give someone a good shot at the first ascent, if that's what they want.

I wasn't much of a Dolls fan, and never followed Johnny's solo stuff. Anything in particular you recommend? I recently saw the documentary "New York Doll" which primarily focused on the bass player, Arthur Killer Kane, who was working in a Mormon genealogy library in the LA area, and follows up through a Dolls reunion show in Britain. Really great film, interesting folks and history. I hadn't realized that the Dolls started in 1972, way way ahead of their time. People talk about The Ramones and Sex Pistols being wellsprings of the genre, but it's clear that the Dolls both pre-dated and influenced them.

Hey, fuck you assholes. This thread is about worrying about ME, not a continuation of this ugly little FW/Tvash bawl & brawl, with the assorted hangers on and peanut gallery personnel.

Thanks for the concern Sobo, but my place is reasonably flood proof, though there's some cool (i.e. non-threatening) flooding all around. I've got a number of friends west of Centralia who didn't fare so well. They'll know in a day or two if their vehicles are salvagable, and the house got hit right up to the floorboards, but not beyond, so they don't have a house full of silt to clean up. I love the over the top weather and I'm fond of a little flood gawking too.

Well, they sure had a kick ass pair of spires named after the company. I've still got an old 2R tent, but the lightweight coating on the floor looks like skin a week after a bad sunburn.

Pink's right, Portland rocks. I couldn't even count the times I saw Dead Moon play. 4nVmnPJgB0U

I found the walk straight up from the road rather pleasant, there are some really great trees on that slope. Thanks for the TR on this, way to snatch a route from the late season .

Oooh, better still, because two snakes are better than one! usc3CPaakV4

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Yep, the closeup of the foot shows one of those things. He must use a stick of chalk or something, they're so very clearly drawn. Which is not to say that any amount of tick marks, top rope, and back rope would get me up that route.